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63. wife2, widow Prinsep Julia-38083 (Maria Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1846 in India,Duckworth,probably. She died in 1895.

thepeerage.com. Circle of V Woolf. Does she have a dr to Stephen, Clara? When Herbert Duckworth died, she used to lie on his grave. She has a good friend, Octavia Hill. In Annan, p. 98, she is a first cousin to Duchess of Bedford and to Lady Henry Somerset (the dr-in-law of Duke of Beaufort), Her mother is one of seven Pattle sisters. Famous for their beauty, descends of a French nobleman who settled in India after French Revolution. She is of "ethereal beauty". She had lived next door to Stephen when his wife dies in 1875. Annan p. 72 on Leslie Stephen, she is "in perpetual mourning and profound depression" in DeSalvo, p. 75. To Duckworth she has children Gerald, Stella (d 1897 "an awful helplessness" surrounds her life story) and sexual aggressor George (Duckworth). See info eg birth year from Georgina Chaseling. Where does the name Prinsep come from? Mowle's Genealogy for Stephen. She is widow of Herbert Duckworth died 1870 a barrister. She comes from a family of EICo officials.

Julia married (1) Sir, Bart1, Kcb Stephen Leslie-38082 son of Prof History, Sir, anti-slaver, Clapham Sect Stephen James-38086 and Venn Jane Catherine-38087 in Mar 1878. Leslie was born on 28 Nov 1832. He died on 22 Feb 1904.

thepeerage.com. Table by Bell. On the Venn family see John Venn, Annals of a Clerical Family, 1904. There is a genealogy of the Stephens in Memoirs of James Stephen edited by MM Bevington, 1954, and see Quentin Bell's 1972 book on Virg Woolf. He has a Table by Bell. On the Venn family see John Venn, Annals of a Clerical Family, 1904. There is a genealogy of the Stephens in Memoirs of James Stephen edited by MM Bevington, 1954, and see Quentin Bell's 1972 book on Virginia Woolf. He has a grandson, Quentin Bell. One of his mothers-in-law is friend of poet Coventry Patmore. He has a brother-in-law, Halford Vaughan in p. 128 of Annan's book. In older life after Julia's death he is friends with Croom Robertson, Sidgwick, Dyke Campbell, "the old bore Frederick Gibbs". He edits the DNB! There is an Emily Ritchie in Annan, p. 76. There is a Richmond Ritchie who is KCB and Perm Under-Sec India Office, who is married and dies before his wife in 1912. After age 30 he has close friend John Morley. He is friends with James Russell Lowell and one Tom Hughes (who p. 76 in Annan has a sister and may be author of Tom Brown's Schooldays). He leaves Cambridge at age 30. One relative Julian Bell lost his life in Spanish Civil War. He has a univ friend, Henry Fawcett later a Prof of Political Economy. An associate is one Henry Jackson. He has a cousin, James Wilberforce Stephen. He has cousins, A. V. Dicey, Edward Dicey, Albert Dicey. In Annan on Leslie Stephen, this man has wife2 an aunt of HAL Fisher, Warden of New College, and Pres of Board of Education in Lloyd George's Admin, FIsher's wife was a great niece of FH and AC Bradley, and his sister married historian FW Maitland, who became Leslie's official biographer. Laura is regarded as mad, an idiot and dies in 1945 aged 75. Incest is rife in the family, De Salvo p. 2, "overt sexual assault, temper tantrums, physical violence, sexually threatening behaviour, bullying, abductions, probably even rape", p. 2. Virtually all members of Stephen household in this vein, p. 2, a pathologically dysfunctional family. He lives at 22 Hyde Park Gate in London. Info from G Chaseling. He is first editor of Dictionary of National Biography, and father of writer Virginia Woolf. What re allegations she was molested as a child?

Leslie and Julia had the following children:

  99 F i Novelist, writer Stephen Adeline Virginia (Woolf)-34374 was born on 25 Jan 1882. She died in 1941 in Suicide.

She is child3. See table in Nigel Nicolson, (Ed.), The Question of Things Happening: The Letters of Virginia Woolf, 1912-1922. London, The Hogarth Press, 1976. She has spinster cousins Margaret (1862-1929) and Emma (1874-1960) Vaughan who live at Kensington. Virginia and Vanessa are involved as lesbians maybe till Virgnia is 23. She is interfered with by her older half-brother, George Duckworth. Her newphew is Quentin Bell. She when born has six siblings. Cf., Louise DeSalvo, Virginia Woolf: The Impact of Childhood Sexual Abuse on Her Life and Work. New York, Ballantine Books, 1989. Info per G Chaseling. Mowle's Genealogy for Stephen, p. 328. VW is manic-depressive, or bi-polar. See Alma Halbert Bond, Who Killed Virginia Woolf: a psychobiography. New York. Human Services Press. 1989. CF, Lyndall Gordon, Virginia Woolf: a writer's life. OUP. 1984. p. 4, "If life has a base" ... it is memory", said VW once. VW has an aunt, Julia Margaret Cameron. Book index dates. See also per Georgina Chaseling/Bennett. Anne Olivier Bell and Andrew McNeillie, (Eds.), The Diary of Virginia Woolf, Vol. 2, 1920-1924. London, Penguin, 1981. Regina Marler, (Ed.), introduction by Quentin Bell, Selected Letters of Vanessa Bell. London, Bloomsbury Pub Ltd., 1993-1994. James King, Virginia Woolf, London, Penguin, 1994-1995. Frances Spalding, Vanessa Bell. London, Phoenix, 1994.
        Adeline married Publisher writer civil servant Woolf Leonard Sidney-38085 son of Barrister Woolf Solomon Rees Sydney-140948 and de Jongh Marie-144937. Leonard was born in 1880. He died in 1969.

Is early in Ceylon Civil Service. He is a secular Jew. Per Robert Newton of 9-3-2020. Table by Q Bell. He has a third brother Edgar Sidney (born 1883). He has sister Bella Sidney Lock, nee Woolf 1877-1960, an eldest sister married in 1921 to official in Ceylon, W. T. Southorn. See info from G. Chaseling. pillagoda http by Wendy Winter. He, Winter says, is Gov of Hambantota District in Sn Province of Ceylon.
  100 M ii Died young Stephen Julian Thoby-28877 was born in 1880. He died in 1906.

He is child2. Table by Q Bell. circle of v woolf The name Thoby must come from the family of 1800 convict contractor qv, John Prinsep. Info per G. Chaseling. See Annan on Leslie Stephen, p. 5.
+ 101 F iii Stephen Vanessa-43950 was born on 30 May 1879.
  102 M iv Stephen Adrian-57025 was born in 1883. He died in 1948.

thepeerage.com. He is child4. Info per Georgina Chaseling.
        Adrian married Costelloe Karin Elizabeth-21268 daughter of Costelloe Progenitor-55212 and CNotknown Miss-60481. Karin was born in 1889. She died in 1953.

She has children Ann born 1816 and Judith (1918-1972). She is also niece of Alys Russell, first wife of Bertrand Russell in Bell/McNeill, eds, vol 2 of diary of virg. woolf. She is stepdr of Bernard Berenson and a niece of Logan Pearsall Smith. Marler on V Bell, p. 153, notes. She is sister of Ray Strachey unexplained thus related to Strachey family, the Wedgewoods, Pearsall-Smiths and Bertrand Russell and Bernard Bereson. See Annan on Leslie Stephen, p. 5.

Julia married (2) Barrister Duckworth Herbert-65093 son of Duckworth Senior-80827 and DNotknown Miss-127730 in 1867. Herbert was born in 1833 in ,husband1. He died in 1870.

Table. He has a sister Julia Duckworth in Marler on V Bell, p. xxiv. In Annan on L. Stephen, this man p. 356 in notes has a cousin, Frank Coleman. DeSalvo on V Woolf. thepeerage.com.

Herbert and Julia had the following children:

+ 103 M v Sir Duckworth George Herbert-57084 was born in 1868. He died in 1934.
  104 M vi Duckworth Gerald-59299 was born in 1870. He was christened in ,incest. He died in 1937.

thepeerage.com. Table. He marries Cecile Alice Scott-Chad. DeSalvo on V Woolf.
        Gerald married Scott-Chad Cecile-308197 daughter of Scott-Chad Progenitor-311957 and SNotknown Miss-311958.
  105 F vii Duckworth Stella-59298 was born in 1869.

She is interfered with by her cousin JK (Jem) Stephen, son of Leslie Stephens' brother, Fitzjames, was Jem = Jack the Ripper? DeSalvo on V. Woolf, pp. 40ff.
        Stella married Mp Tory Solicitor Hills John Waller-57133 son of Hills Progenitor-71750 and HNotknown Miss-97619. John was born in 1867. He died in 1938.

Table. Named in p. 26 of Bell/McNeillie, eds vol 2 of diary of V woolf.

65. Jackson Adeline Maria Miss-42332 (Maria Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1837 in India,,probably. She died in 1881.

She is Adeline Jackson m to Henry. She is sister of Julia Stephens not qv and married a Vaughan and their son became headmaster of Rugby and had a wife a dr of John Addington Symonds whom Leslie Stephens counted amongst his friends. See Annan on Leslie Stephens, p. 5. Her dr Augusta marries Robert Croft. Table by Q Bell. Birth year in James King on V Woolf, p. 9. Annan on Leslie Stephen, p. 365, of notes.

Adeline married Sir Vaughan Henry Halford-59432 son of Sir, Justice Common Pleas Rt Hon Vaughan John-110720 and St John Augusta Beauchamp-110719. Henry was born in 1811. He died in 1885.

Family Ghost http on WH Auden. His own wikipedia page. Not in thepeerage.com. Table. His brothers in Holland House diaries. His son becomes headmaster of Rugby School and this son marries a dr of John Addington Symonds a friend of Sir Leslie Stephen, Annan p. 5, and Annan p. 365 of notes on Leslie Stephen, qv. English historian.

Henry and Adeline had the following children:

+ 106 F i Vaughan Millicent-37942.
+ 107 M ii Headmaster Rugby school Vaughan William Wyamar-123489.

66. Jackson Mary Louisa-43979 (Maria Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1841 in India,,probably. She died in 1916.

Table by Q Bell. Birth year in James King on V Woolf, p. 9. Annan, p. 365 of notes, on Leslie Stephen, qv.
She is a relative of Julia Jackson wife of Sir Leslie Stephen qv.

Mary married Royal Tutor Historian Fisher Herbert William-22454 son of Fisher William-105486 and Cookson Elizabeth-40081. Herbert was born in 1826. He died in 1903.

He wrote a book, Considerations on the Origins of the American War. He is tutor to Prince of Wales in Annan on Sir Leslie Stephen, p. 365 of notes. Annan on Leslie Stephen, p. 365 of notes.

Herbert and Mary had the following children:

+ 108 M i Educator Frs Fisher Herbert Albert Laurens-60488 was born in 1865. He died in 1940.
+ 109 F ii Fisher Florence Henrietta-22273 was born in 1863. She died in 1920.
  110 F iii wife1 Fisher Adeline Mary-63304 died in 1951.

Table by Q Bell.
        Adeline married Dr, Composer, Om Vaughan-Williams Ralph-66911 son of Rev Vaughan-Williams Arthur Vaughan Williams-70334 and Wedgwood Margaret Susan-105287 in 1897. Ralph was born in 1872. He died in 1958.

gapskey finish book Oxford University Press 1995. Vaughan Williams, Ralph 1872-1958 - Name: Vaughan Williams, Ralph - Dates1872-1958 Article - Vaughan Williams, Ralph 1872-1958, composer, was born 12 October 1872 at Down Ampney, Gloucestershire, into a family of mixed Welsh and English descent whose members went chiefly into the law or the Church. Sir Edward Vaughan Williams [q.v.] was his grandfather, Sir Roland Vaughan Williams [q.v.] his uncle. He was the younger son of the vicar, the Rev. Arthur Vaughan Williams, and his wife, Margaret, daughter of the third Josiah Wedgwood, grandson of the potter, who had married his cousin, Caroline Darwin, niece of Charles Darwin [q.v.]. His parents' two families had come to live at Leith Hill in Surrey in the middle of the nineteenth century and Ralph Vaughan Williams was to continue his association with the Leith Hill musical festival until the middle of the twentieth. He was brought up at Leith. Hill Place because his father died when he was only two. There was music in both families but the child was no precocious genius. He wrote a little piece four bars long for piano when he was six, and by the time he was eleven he was playing the violin quite well, but, when he was an undergraduate at Cambridge his Darwin cousins thought he was wasting his time trying to be a composer, and he was thirty by the time he had found his real idiom. However, he relates in a musical autobiography contributed to Ralph Vaughan Williams (1950) by Hubert Foss [q.v.] that while he was still at Charterhouse he organized a concert at which one of his own works was played. Before he went up to Trinity College, Cambridge, in 1892 he spent two years at the Royal College of Music studying composition with (Sir) Hubert Parry [q.v.] and (Sir) Charles Stanford [q.v.] and he was able to take his Mus. Bac. in 1894 while still reading history in which he obtained a second in 1895. He then put in another year at the Royal College but he still had not found himself and went off to Berlin to work with Max Bruch. Years later he was still dissatisfied with his technique and in 1907-8 worked for some months at refining it with Ravel in Paris. But he had taken his Cambridge doctorate in 1901. Thereafter he was known to the world, since he declined a knighthood, as Dr. Vaughan Williams and later to younger generations as ‘Uncle Ralph’. Vaughan Williams was by creed and practice a nationalist, like those Slavonic, Latin, and Scandinavian musicians who in the nineteenth century turned against the long hegemony of German and Italian music to native sources of inspiration in order to secure emancipation for themselves and the ultimate enrichment of European music. Chief of these sources for Vaughan Williams was English folksong, but other influences were hymnody, including plainsong, to which he was led by his editorship of The English Hymnal (1906), Purcell, of whose works he edited a volume of the Welcome Odes for the Purcell Society (1904-6), and the Elizabethan madrigals to which he was devoted all his life both publicly and domestically. In him English music secured independence of the continental dominance which had been exerted by the powerful figures of Handel and Mendelssohn for a century and a half. He was assisted in this movement by his friend Gustav Holst [q.v.], but he did not in the end establish a school, for the emancipation when it came was complete, and nationalism had spent most of its force in the early twentieth century. Vaughan Williams had the integrity and independence of his middle -class origins, the lively conscience and streak of puritanism of his formal education, and an impressive physical presence. He belonged to that small class of Englishmen who are by temperament and upbringing radical traditionalists or conservative liberals; he could even be described as an agnostic Christian, in that while cherishing the main traditions of English life, its folksong, its hymnody, its ecclesiastical occasions, its liberal politics, its roots, he was forward-looking, outspoken, and quick to protest at official obscurantism, timidity, or intolerance, as when he publicly deprecated the banning of Communist musicians from access to the radio during the war of 1939-45. In the war of 1914-18 he enlisted as a private in the Royal Army Medical Corps and went to France and then to Salonica, but in 1917 he was transferred to the Royal Garrison Artillery and given a commission. He was sent again to France in March 1918 at the time of the great retreat. During his time in the army he had organized such music as was possible in recreation huts and after the armistice was made director of music, First Army, B.E.F., France, until he was demobilized. His earliest music, apart from student and prentice work, consisted of songs, of which ‘Linden Lea’ (1902), the first published work, became and remained a classic. Another early song, ‘Silent Noon’ (1903), which was, however, one of a sequence of six settings of sonnets by Dante Gabriel Rossetti [q.v.], also achieved a wide and lasting currency. In retrospect Rossetti seems less suited to his robust imagination than R. L. Stevenson [q.v.] (Songs of Travel, 1904) or Walt Whitman (Towards the Unknown Region, 1907) who provided texts for more characteristic music. By the time the latter had been given at the Leeds Festival of 1907 and had proclaimed that a new voice was to be heard in English music, a crisis in style had been resolved by Vaughan Williams's discovery of English folksong. He had been attracted in youth by Christmas carols and such few folksongs as came his way¾‘Dives and Lazarus’ was a favourite which years later was to give him the ‘Five Variants of “Dives and Lazarus”’ for harp and string orchestra (1939)¾but in December 1903 he collected ‘Bushes and Briars’ in Essex, the first of several hundreds of authentic folksongs taken down from the lips of traditional country singers in the course of the next few years. The modal character of these tunes unlocked for him the idiom which had been struggling to erupt and the first-fruits of the emancipation were three orchestral ‘Norfolk Rhapsodies’ (1906-7) and the Fantasia on Christmas Carols (1912). The rhapsody and the fantasia were the forms found by all nationalist composers to be more suited to thematic material derived from national tunes than conventional sonata form, which is recalcitrant to extended melody. He continued to compose songs on and off throughout his life but in diminishing numbers after about 1930, although his last completed work was a set of ‘Four Last Songs’ (1958). Vaughan Williams would not have been the traditionalist he was had he failed to contribute to the long tradition of English choral music. After the success of his Whitman cantata at Leeds in 1907 it was natural for him to provide something more substantial for the premier choral festival: the Sea Symphony, with words again by Whitman, for the festival of 1910. More than Beethoven's Ninth is this a true choral symphony since all its four movements are vocal and at the same time are cast in one or other of the symphonic forms. As Vaughan Williams's mind gradually turned towards the symphony, which was eventually to form the central corpus of his output, this large-scale cantata took its place as the first in the canon of his nine symphonies. There is only one oratorio actually so called among his choral works with biblical words, Sancta Civitas (1926), of which the words are derived from the Apocalypse and prefaced by a quotation from Plato. Hodie nearly thirty years on (1954), however, is, in fact if not in official nomenclature, a Christmas oratorio. Of the other choral works some are occasional pieces, Benedicite (1929), Dona nobis pacem (1936), Flourish for a Coronation (1937), A Song of Thanksgiving (1944), and only Five Tudor Portraits (1935) is of the dimensions of a secular oratorio, although An Oxford Elegy and Fantasia on the ‘Old 104th’ (both 1949) employ a chorus, the one with an obbligato for a speaker, the other with an obbligato for pianoforte. His first purely instrumental symphony was the London, completed before the war but revised before publication in 1920. Two other of his nine symphonies bear titles, No. 3, the Pastoral (1922), and No. 7, Sinfonia Antartica (1952), which was an overflow from the music he had composed for a film, Scott of the Antarctic. Nos. 4 (1935) and 6 (1948) are so angry and disturbing that they have also suggested a submerged programme, which the composer himself firmly deprecated. No. 5 (1943) had an avowed connection with The Pilgrim's Progress, on a setting of which the composer was contemporaneously working. Nos. 8 (1956) and 9 (1958) show a preoccupation with formal experiment and tone colour. No. 9 was performed only four months before his death and while it showed no lack of vigour it did sound a note of something like resignation not previously heard in his music. The range of experience covered is wide, although the subjective emotions explored by the
German symphonists are not prominent. Vaughan Williams also composed a good deal of dramatic music, which includes incidental music to pageants, masques, Shakespeare, Greek plays (of which the overture and suite for The Wasps of Aristophanes, 1909, is the chief and has an independent existence), film scores, ballets, and operas. These last are heterogeneous, ranging from the quasi-ballad opera to the text of Harold Child [q.v.], Hugh the Drover (1924), to the full-length comedy Sir John in Love (1929); from the farcical extravaganza The Poisoned Kiss (1936) to the word-for-word
setting of the tragic Riders to the Sea (1937) and the ‘morality’ The Pilgrim's Progress (1951). In none of these is the dramatic touch as certain as in the symphonies and choral works and they are not wholly proof against theatrical mischance, yet the work which is not only utterly characteristic but reveals supreme mastery is a stage work, the ballet Job (1931). Many of his most characteristic works are not classifiable in the normal categories. Such are the Serenade to Music (1938) dedicated to
Sir Henry Wood [q.v.], Flos Campi (1925) which is a suite scored for solo viola, small orchestra, and small chorus, and his most important chamber work is a song sequence ‘On Wenlock Edge’ (1909) with accompaniment for string quartet and piano. There is an element of cussedness in his attitude to the concerto: he wrote four so called, besides two ‘Romances’ and a suite, for instrumental solo with orchestra. Those for violin are not virtuoso works; that for piano the composer rearranged for two keyboards to make it more effective; on the other hand it was a particular performer's virtuosity which evoked the concerto-type works for viola, oboe, harmonica, and tuba. There is no side of music which Vaughan Williams did not touch and enrich, although some of his compositions were primarily of occasional and local significance, and for piano and organ he wrote little. His settings and arrangements of folksongs, however, are a valuable parergon. He conducted the Bach Choir from 1921 to 1928 and taught composition at the Royal College of Music for twenty years. His literary output consisted mostly of pamphlets and lectures, which were reprinted in book form, the chief being National Music (1934) in which his aesthetic creed was formulated. He did his share of committee work, notably in connection with the English Folk Dance and Song Society, of which he became president in 1946. The honours which came to him, an honorary doctorate of music from Oxford (1919), an honorary fellowship of Trinity College, Cambridge (1935), and the Order of Merit (1935), were no doubt for his eminence as a composer, but they were also a recognition of the manifold services he rendered to English music. It was not until he was an old man that it was realized that there was no formal portrait of him. The Royal College of Music therefore commissioned one from Sir Gerald Kelly which hangs in the college. The Manchester City Art Gallery has a bronze by Epstein and the National Portrait Gallery drawings by Juliet Pannett and Joyce Finzi and a bronze by David McFall. In 1897 Vaughan Williams married Adeline (died 1951), daughter of Herbert William Fisher and sister of H. A. L. and Sir W. W. Fisher [q.v.]. In 1953 he married Ursula, daughter of Major-General Sir Robert Lock and widow of Lieutenant-Colonel J. M. J. Forrester Wood. He died in London 26 August 1958 and was buried in Westminster Abbey. Sources: Ursula Vaughan Williams, R.V.W.: A Biography of Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1964; Michael Kennedy, The Works of Ralph Vaughan Williams, 1964; personal knowledge. Contributor, Frank Howes. PUBLISHED 1971

Is he the composer who should be Williams? Table by Q Bell.
  111 M iv Fisher Edmund Jo-49094 died in 1918.

Table by Q Bell.
        Edmund married Freshfield Jeanie-49093 daughter of Freshfield Senior-166949 and FNotknown Miss-166950.

gaps14 Table by Q. Bell.
  112 M v Sir Admiral Fisher William Wordsworth-49268 was born in 1875. He died in 1937.

Per info on composer Vaughan-Williams.

68. Sir Prinsep Henry Thoby Auriol-57502 (Sarah Monckton Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1830. He died in 1914.

thepeerage.com. Camilla von Massenbach genealogy. He is Lt-Colonel in wikipedia page on Prinseps. Bengal Staff Corps. He may have married Harriet Georgina McKinnon in 1862 in Edinburgh according to update of 28 Feb 2007 from e-mailer John Pretty, this man is son of William Prinsep brother of Henry Thoby Prinspe. His dr in Burke's Landed Gentry for Sperling where he is Lt-Col. He is given as Sir Henry Thoby (the second) in Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk. Also in data per Mary Hover. Circle of V. Woolf See Annan on Leslie Stephen, p. 365 of notes. See A. C. Staples' article on this man's son, p. 63. Below is email of 19-8-2004 - Dan, I am researching the history of the village called Patrick Brompton in North Yorkshire and in 1929 HON. WILLIAM FITZWILLIAM JAMES DUNDAS was living at the Hall. He was I think aged 69 and his wife MARY MAUD DUNDAS aged 67 (nee Prinsep). On websites it says that her father was 'Lt.-Col. Henry Auriol Prinsep' On your website it states that he was Sir Henry Auriol Prinsep. I may have missed it but there does not seem to mention his daughter Mary Maud. Someone in 1970 said that she was French, I am begining to think they were wrong about this fact. Any help please about Mary Maud. Thank you -- Message Ends --Referer: <http://tools.search.eur.yahoo.net/search/cache?fr=fp-tab-web-t&x=wrt&y=i&ei=UTF-8&eo=UTF-8&p=Sir+Henry+Auriol+Prinsep&u=www.danbyrnes.com.au/blackheath/geneal0.htm&w=sir+henry+auriol+prinsep&d=6331FC5E60&icp=1&intl=uk>

Henry married (1) Smythe Lilian Livingstone-67764 daughter of Smythe Progenitor-37563 and SNotknown Miss-155951.

She is dr of? Does she have a daughter Mary Maud? See notes to her husband from an e-mailer. See Burke's Landed Gentry for Sperling for her dr. Data per Mary Hover.

Henry and Lilian had the following children:

  113 F i Prinsep Edith Anne-10154 died on 24 Apr 1925.

Burke's Landed Gentry for Sperling.
        Edith married Captain, Barrister Sperling Charles Frederick Denne-3339 son of Sperling Charles Brogden-72476 and Denne Eliza Mary-45973 on 14 Jul 1891. Charles was born on 4 Mar 1861. He died in 1938.

He is only son of Charles Brigden Sperling and Eliza Mary Denne in Burke's Landed Gentry for Sperling.
+ 114 F ii Prinsep Mary Maud-386778 was born in 1862. She died in 1945.

Henry married (2) MacKinnon Harriet Georgina-711808 daughter of MacKinnon Charles-711809 and Studd Henrietta-711810.

69. Painter, Ra Prinsep Valentine Cameron-1787 (Sarah Monckton Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1838. He died in 1904.

He is Royal Academy artist. He and Leyland have son Anthony who m to I Marie Lohr, and 2 to Margaret Bannerman. Also have son Arthur Haldimand (1840-1915) who m to Julia Smith in 1888. They also have Nicholas who m to Anita Elsom. Per Mary Hover, he m to in 1884 to Florence Leyland. http seen on 30 April 2007 copy of obituary for Valentine Cameron Prinsep (1838-1904) The Times, Monday, 14 November 1904, at website on Victorian Art in Britain, www.victorianartinbritain.co.uk/ He is friends with Lord Leighton. Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.

Valentine married Leyland Florence-23514 daughter of Shipowner, magnate Leyland Frederick Richards-75712 and Dawson Frances-150972 in 1885. Florence was born in 1859.

Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007. She is evidently "fabulously wealthy".

Valentine and Florence had the following children:

  115 M i Theatrical manager, Globe Prinsep Anthony Leyland-65356 was born in 1888. He died in 1942 in London.

Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.
        Anthony married (1) wife1 Lohr Marie Kaye Wouldes-59803 daughter of Lohr Progenitor-88667 and LNotknown Miss-111980. Marie was born in 1890 in Sydney Nsw. She died in 1975 in London.

Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.
        Anthony married (2) Canadian actress Bannerman Margaret Grande-56991 daughter of Bannerman Senior 2013-104957 and BNotknown Miss-101081. Margaret was born in 1896 in Toronto Canada. She died in 1976.

Real name is Margaret Grande in 2017 updates. Per Mary Hover data. Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.
  116 M ii Prinsep Nicholas-50669.

He m to Anita Elsom.
        Nicholas married Elsom Anita-92421 daughter of Elsom Senior-242728 and ENotknown Miss-242729.

71. Prinsep Alice Maria-6784 (Sarah Monckton Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1844. She died in 1919.

Camilla von Massenbach genealogy. Code-red. Circle of V Woolf Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of North Runcton. GEC, Peerage, Dudley of Dudley Castle, p. 491. Death date from Leo van de Pas. She also m to Stracey-Clitherow.

Alice married (1) Banker Gurney Charles Henry-49307 son of Antiquary, of Gurney and Overend Gurney Daniel Gurney and Co-36819 and had issue Hay Harriet Jemima Hay-Boyd-36820 on 8 Oct 1861. Charles was born on 5 Nov 1833. He died in 1899.

Item from Leo van de Pas. He is son3. See Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of Keswick. GEC, Peerage, Dudley of Dudley Castle, p. 491. He is partner in Saunderson's Bank. Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of North Runcton.

Charles and Alice had the following children:

+ 117 F i wife1 Gurney Rachel Anne-49306 died on 26 Jun 1920.
  118 F ii Gurney Laura-30909 died in 1966.

Burke's P&B for Troubridge. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk. Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of North Runcton.
        Laura married Sir Bart4 Troubridge Thomas Herbert-32708 son of Colonel, Sir Bart3 Royal staff, Cb Equerry Troubridge Thomas St Vincent-9369 and Gurney Louisa Jane-50200 on 13 Jul 1893. Thomas was born in 1860 in ,Fsa. He died on 5 Dec 1938.

Burke's P&B for Troubridge. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk. Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of North Runcton.
  119 M iii Gurney Henry Edward-14940.

Burke's Landed Gentry for Gurney of North Runcton.

Alice married (2) Colonel Clitherow John Bouchier Stracey-537625 son of Rev at Buxton Stracey-Clitherow William James Stracey-574063 and Bourchier Maria Diana-537628. John was born in 1853. He died in 1931.

He was in Egyptian Campaign in 1882 and took part in the Jameson Raid in Sth Africa.

John and Alice had the following children:

  120 M iv Clitherow Thomas Claude later Gurney-537626.

72. Of India Prinsep Henry Thoby II-326334 (Sarah Monckton Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1836. He died in 1914.

He marries Harriet Georgina MacKinnon who had drs Florence Amy and Edith Annie in in Camilla von Massenbach genealogy http. Data on this entry and his wife only per e-mailer John Pretty of 28-2-2007. Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.

Henry married (1) wife1 PNotknown Grace Phoebe-326335.

Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.

Henry and Grace had the following children:

+ 121 M i Farmer near Calcutta Prinsep Arthur Thoby Havesleigh-358901 was born in 1860.

Henry married (2) Smythe Lilla Livingstone-358902 daughter of Smythe W. F.-358904 and SNotknown Miss-358905. Lilla was born in 1836 in Circa.

Update from website on McCann of Milton Keynes, UK accessed 28-9-2007.

75. Bayley Maria-58634 (Louisa Calbrook Colebrooke Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) died in 1917.

See Hodson lists. Table has her as "Cousin Mia".

Maria married MacNamara Charles-64134 son of MacNamara Senior-162008 and MNotknown Miss-92469.

Table.

Charles and Maria had the following children:

  122 M i Rear-Admiral MacNamara Patrick-242705.

77. Sir Bart8 Dalrymple Walter-63904 (Sophia Ricketts Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1854. He died in 1920.

thepeerage.com. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk.

Walter married Clifford Alice Mary-128034 daughter of Sir, Vc Clifford Henry Hugh-138819 and Anstice Josephine Elizabeth-118853 in 1882. Alice died in 1927.

thepeerage.com. Also from Nigel Batty-Smith http on Clifford. Dr of Maj-Gen Hon Sir Henry Hugh Clifford, VC, KCMG, see Clifford Barts, as listed in Burke's P&B for Dalrymple. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk.

Walter and Alice had the following children:

+ 123 M i Sir Bart9 Dalrymple Hew Clifford Hamilton-62722 was born in 1888. He died in 1959.

78. Dalrymple Virginia Julian-60904 (Sophia Ricketts Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ).

Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk.

Virginia married Sir Bart1 Champneys Francis Henry-61479 son of Dean of Lichfield Champneys William Weldon-51004 and Storr Mary Anne-50833 in 1876. Francis was born in 1848. He died in 1930.

Lever's book on Goldsmiths table for Storr. Burke's P&B for Hamilton-Dalrymple. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk.

Francis and Virginia had the following children:

  124 M i Cb Sir Bart2 Champneys Weldon Dalrymple-62325 was born in 1892.

Lever on Goldmsiths. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk.
        Weldon married Pratt Anne Spencer-21722 daughter of Pratt Senior-114052 and PNotknown Miss-106948 in 1924. Anne was born in 1894. She died in 1968.

Is she of Mqs Camden famly at all? Chart per R. Pattle of Suffolk.

80. Lady Somers-Cocks Isabella Caroline Somers-99011 (Virginia Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1851 in Somerset. She died in 1921.

She is dr1. Chart by R. Pattle of Somerset. Stenton, Brit Parls, Vol. 1, p. 356. See also re http on Wilsey line. Chart by R. Pattle of Somerset. Stenton, Brit Parls, Vol. 1, p. 356. Per Mary Hover see notes to husband Lord Henry Somerset.

Isabella married Lord Rt Hon Mp Somerset Henry Richard Charles-33676 son of Duke8 Beaufort Somerset Henry Charles Fitzroy-3670 and Curzon-Howe Georgiana Charlotte-3399 in 1872. Henry was born in 1849. He was christened in 1878 in active,scandal. He died on 10 Oct 1932.

He is son2. Chart by R. Pattle of Suffolk. Stenton, Brit Partls, Vol. 1, p. 356. He is Comptroller of Royal Household. See thepeerage.com. Per Mary Hover, he marries in 1877 to Adeline Pattle, but he prefers the embraces of his footman instead.

Henry and Isabella had the following children:

+ 125 M i Somerset Henry Charles Somers Augustus-91382 was born in 1874. He died in 1945.

82. Lt-Colonel Cameron Eugene Hay-52553 (Julia Margaret Pattle , James Peter , Thomas , Edward , Edward , Edward , Hugh , Progenitor 2015 ).

Burke's P&B for Cameron of Lochiel.

Eugene married Browne Caroline Catherine-118725 daughter of MP and of Dublin Browne John Denis-82455 and Wells Esther-82448. Caroline died in 1934.

thepeerage.com. Related to Mqs1 of Sligo. Burke's P&B for Cameron of Lochiel.

Eugene and Caroline had the following children:

  126 F i Cameron Caroline Margaret Hay-53771.

Burke's P&B for Cameron of Lochiel.
        Caroline married Rev Williams Leonard-58190 son of Sir Bart2 MP Williams Frederick Martin-29670 and Law Mary Christian-1754. Leonard died in 1956.

Burke's P&B for Williams. Burke's P&B for Cameron of Lochiel.

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