595. Major, Lt-Col Baring Esmond Charles-185091 (Olive Alethea Smith , Hugh Colin , John Abel , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1914.
thepeerage.com.
Esmond married Snagge Zalia-185088 daughter of Sir Snagge Harold Edward-185089 and SNotknown Miss-185090 in 1936.
thepeerage.com.
Esmond and Zalia had the following children:
+ 811 F i Baring Caroline Venetia-185092 was born in 1937. + 812 F ii Baring Patricia-209526. 813 M iii Baring Oliver Alexander-241046 was born in 1944. 814 M iv Baring Guy Esmond-241047 was born in 1945.
He lives in Melbourne, Vic in thepeerage.com.Guy married Campbell Raina Elizabeth-103014 daughter of Campbell David-103954 and CNotknown Miss-40670.
596. Smith Fortune-3527 (Owen Hugh , Hugh Colin , John Abel , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1926.
No notes.
Fortune married Stanley Michael-54989 son of Rt Hon Stanley Oliver-54990 and Lady Vane-Tempest-Stewart Maureen-50611 in 1951. Michael was born in 1921. He died in 1990.
They had the following children:
815 M i Stanley Oliver-40728 was born in 1952. Oliver married McMullen Bernadette-10883 daughter of McMullen Progenitor-193722 and MNotknown Miss-193723.
Dr of John M.
599. Smith Julian Ronald-259300 (Everard Reginald Martin Smith , Martin Ridley-Smith , Martin Tucker , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1916.
See http://www.angelfire.com/real/gotha/Part_h6.htm
Julian married Pearson-Gregory Susan Mary-401769 daughter of Pearson-Gregory Progenitor-259302 and PNotknown Miss-259303.
See http://www.angelfire.com/real/gotha/Part_h6.htm
Julian and Susan had the following children:
600. Smith Vivien Elizabeth-401774 (Everard Reginald Martin Smith , Martin Ridley-Smith , Martin Tucker , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1920.
Of the line of Smiths the bankers. See http://www.angelfire.com/real/gotha/Part_h6.htm
Vivien married Elwes Robert Philip Henry-401773 son of Elwes Progenitor-401959 and ENotknown Miss-401958. Robert was born in 1917. He died in 1976.
See http://www.angelfire.com/real/gotha/Part_h6.htm
Robert and Vivien had the following children:
817 M i Elwes Nigel Robert-401972 was born in 1941.
601. Maj-General Sir Gascoigne Julian Alvery-191392 (Ernest Frederick Orby Gascoigne , Clifton Gascoigne , Caroline Leigh Smith , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1903.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm
Julian married Newman Joyce Alfreda-191393 daughter of Captain Sir Bart2 Newman Robert Lydston-62954 and Notknown Miss-403621. Joyce was born in 1904.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm
Julian and Joyce had the following children:
602. Gascoigne Humphrey Edward Crisp-403628 (Ernest Frederick Orby Gascoigne , Clifton Gascoigne , Caroline Leigh Smith , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1914. He died in 1992.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm
Humphrey married Wigan Elizabeth Sibell Isabel-403629 daughter of Wigan Denis Grey-403630 and WNotknown Miss-403631. Elizabeth was born in 1918.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm
Humphrey and Elizabeth had the following children:
603. Sir Bart4 of Waddeson Nugent George Guy Bulwer-188647 (George Colborne Nugent , Evelyn Henrietta Gascoigne , Caroline Leigh Smith , John II , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1892. He died in 1970.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm Burke's P&B for Nugent of Waddeson. This name is part of an 84-page genealogy (PDF) from John Elverson (UK) received 27-9-2011 on Smiths the Bankers.
George married Bigsby May Esther-188648 daughter of Bigsby Jesse Arthur-188913 and BNotknown Miss-188912.
Sh ehad three children. See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm This name is part of an 84-page genealogy (PDF) from John Elverson (UK) received 27-9-2011 on Smiths the Bankers.
George and May had the following children:
612. Baron3 Numburnholme Wilson Charles John-54711 (Marjorie Cecilia Wynn-Carrington , Charles Robert (Smith) Wynn-Carrington , Robert John (Carrington) Smith , Robert Of Upton , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born on 25 Apr 1904.
He is son1. rootsweb http on 2-6-2005. GEC after 1901, Nunburnholm, p. 65.
Charles married Thynne Mary Beatrice-245680 daughter of Mqs5 Bath, Earl5 Bath, Visc Weymouth Thynne Thomas Henry-64702 and Mordaunt Violet Caroline-64859 on 24 Nov 1927. Mary was born in 1903. She died in 1974.
GEC after 1901, Nunburnholme, p. 65.
Charles and Mary had the following children:
614. Lt-Colonel Palmer Anthony William Allen-427357 (Alexandra Augusta Wynn-Carington , Charles Robert (Smith) Wynn-Carrington , Robert John (Carrington) Smith , Robert Of Upton , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ).
thepeerage.com.
Anthony married Hon Saumarez Veronica-427355 daughter of Baron5 De Saumarez Saumarez James St Vincent-392968 and Balck Gunhild-392969. Veronica was born in 1915.
thepeerage.com.
Anthony and Veronica had the following children:
+ 824 M i Palmer Julian N-427360 was born about 1964. He died in 2002.
616. Baron6 Carrington, Grenadier Guards, dep-chair Anz bank. Carrington Peter Alexander Rupert-105767 (Rupert Victor John Carrington , Rupert George Wynn-Carrington , Robert John (Carrington) Smith , Robert Of Upton , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1919. He was christened in 1918 in Active, presumably.
Code-red. Possible re "vice-regal notes". thepeerage.com. Re e-mail from David Guyatt, As you saw, the current thrust of this thread of my research is Lord Peter Carrington (full name is Peter Alexander Rupert Smith) and I am focusing on events that involved him in WWII, where he eventually was promoted from Lieutenant to a Major in the Grenadier Guards. I hadn't really been aware of the Smith family's involvement down under but I can now understand why Carrington was, at one time, a deputy chairman of the ANZ bank.
Anyway, if you can point me in the right direction on what you have published about him and his family, I'd be most grateful. Best wishes, David Guyatt
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Minor <mailto:lminor@vvm.com>
To: David Guyatt <mailto:hammer@firenet.uk.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: Fw: More Smith
David:
Here's the reply I received from Dan Byrnes.
----- Original Message -----
From: danbyrnes@mail.nsw.chariot.net.au <mailto:danbyrnes@mail.nsw.chariot.net.au>
To: Linda Minor <mailto:lminor@vvm.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: More Smith
Linda Minor writes: David, The most authoritative source on bankers' genealogies is Dan Byrnes in New South Wales. He has done some work on the Carrington line. Possibly he could help. <http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/merchants/merchants9.htm> <http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/blackheath/thebc17.htm> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Guyatt To: Linda Minor > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: More Smith: This is becoming more and more intersting but also more difficult. I had never realised how complex genealogy could be. Colonel Sir Henry Abel Smith married May, Princess of Teck in 1933. Her great grandparent was Albert, prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Prince Consort). So, the Smith banking family appear to be related by marriage to the British Royals on two sides of the family. Colonel Henry was the son of Francis Abel Smith but after that the information starts getting difficult to come by and I don't know where Francis Abel fits into the family line. If this interests you in the slightest (please let me know if it doesn't?), have you any ideas for tracing the family line back to the bankers? Interestingly enougnh I can trace Carrington's line directly, through marriage, to the Baring family (all nice and comfortable, eh). It seems (to Guyatt, ie) that the Smiths were Jewish and were close to the Rothschilds... Having German family active during WWII impinges upon my research very strongly indeed. My guess is that there was a "family" network on both sides of the Channel in "operation" throughout the war. Best wishes, David
Peter married McClean Iona-105766 daughter of Lt-Colonel Sir McClean Francis Kennedy-162457 and MNotknown Miss-162458.
thepeerage.com.
Peter and Iona had the following children:
619. Major-General Colville Edward Charles-108162 (Stanley Cecil James Colville , Cecile Katherine Mary (Carrington) Smith , Robert John (Carrington) Smith , Robert Of Upton , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1905. He died in 1982.
thepeerage.com.
Edward married Denny Barbara Joan-126513 daughter of Denny Edward Henry Marland-610293 and DNotknown Miss-118255.
thepeerage.com.
Edward and Barbara had the following children:
620. Sir Colville John Jock-84916 (George Charles Colville , Cecile Katherine Mary (Carrington) Smith , Robert John (Carrington) Smith , Robert Of Upton , Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William , John , Hugh (Carrington or Smith ) was born in 1915. He died in 1987.
Private sec to three PM of UK including Winston Churchill. Diarist. Once with Hill Samuel Ltd., and Director of Ottoman Bank.
John married Lady Egerton Margaret-84809 daughter of Lt-Colonel Earl4 Ellesmere Egerton John Francis Granville-189546 and Lady Lambton Violet-398355.
They had the following children:
828 F i Colville Harriet-84906 was born in 1952. Harriet married Bowes-Lyon David-74670 son of Major-General Sir Bowes-Lyon James-189540 and de Trafford Mary-130155 in 1976. David was born in 1947.
Dan Byrnes
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Armidale NSW 2350
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