|
|
If you value the information
posted here, |
40. Judge Bengal Civil Service Scott David-15635 (Archibald , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ) was born on 14 May 1786. He died in 1831 in Cherrapunji, north east India.
He in Burke's LG for Scott is of Usan, HEICS Judge and Magistrate, Rangpore, 1813, Commr Assam and Sheerpore, 1829, He may have a son Charles Scott 1814-1847). He via Currien has an uncle David (1746-1805). He is of family of Scott of Usan and Dunninald in N. E. Scotland. See opium links in Bulley, Bombay ships, pp. 108ff. See also on his father per Iseke. Not in Hodson lists. See Parker's essay on Scots in India pp. 202ff on this man's father and career. See notes on Wm Walker qv. S. B. Singh, index., He is in India 1804-1831. See Nirode K. Barooah, [954.03] David Scott in North East India, 1802-1831: A Study in British Paternalism. New Delhi. Munshiram Manoharlad. 1970. also treats Assam. See Parker's essay on Scots in India pp. 202ff on this man's father and career. See notes on Wm Walker qv. S. B. Singh, index. pdate of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/ - Frances Allen by 8-2-2008 surmises that his wife Eliza Scott may have been Eliza Jervis, a daughter of Delagard the wife of David Scott Snr and her first husband, Benjamin Jervis (who may also have had a son, Thomas Jervis (1769? at Trowbridge?) a chief justice for Chester and MP for Yarmouth, which Thomas had a grandson Henry Jervis - ?) This Benjamin Jervis may have been a first cousin of Admiral Jervis (?).
David married Scott Charlotte-190987 daughter of Scott Senior-190992 and SNotknown Miss-190993.
Not named in Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/
David and Charlotte had the following children:
+ 53 M i Capt 27th Bengal Regt Scott Charles-190984 was born in 1814. He died in 1847. 54 F ii Has issue Scott Jane-190996 was born in 1822. She died in 1907. Jane married Colonel Carnegie John William-190997 son of HEICS Carnegie David-190998 and MNotknown Miss-190999.
He is hard to find. gaps12
43. Scott Anne-40809 (Archibald , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ).
All her children seem to have been born in India. One view is that she is cousin of husband.
Anne married Colonel Watson Archibald-110031 son of The Younger Watson James-142136 and Scott Anne-193137 in 1821. Archibald was born in 1779 in Rhynd, Perthshire. He died in 1855 in Abbethune, Forfarshire.
He has six children to wife1 before Anne Scott, all of them born in India, eldest four baptised in Muttra or Calcutta, before he marries his cousin Anne Scott. Dates and rank per an emailer per Pauline Currien plus her associate Brian Watson. Dear Brian
Well that is interesting. Certainly I could see no mention of a marriage for David Scott 1786-1831 in the book but I am afraid I am only quoting what I read in the British Library. I was surprised that no marriage was mentioned but then that does not mean he did not have offspring as you know. If I get a chance I will try to pursue Charles Scott further but I do not live in London so do not have access to the books very often. As for your Archibald Watson and Sarah McCulloch that must be a line of enquiry you would like to sort out. I presume you have searched the appropriate films of Bengal marriages ? Certainly I will keep a look out for her too. Tell me what you have searched and I will see if I can think of anything else. I hope you do not mind but I am copying this to Dan Byrnes who is also interested in the Scott family.
All the best
Pauline
- From: Brian Watson <mailto:b_swatson@yahoo.com.au> To: Pauline McGregor Currien Subject: Re: SCOTT, WATSON, McCULLOCH, MacGREGOR, MACKENZIE, RAMSDEN, REMINGTON
Many thanks Pauline for the extra information on the parents of Archibald WATSON, which is in accord with my information. One small point, must be a typo in your first para below, it was Archibald WATSON who married David SCOTT of NE India's sister Anne on 30 July 1821 in Scotland while on leave ..... I have a reference [HODSON Vol 4, p30], taken down by me some time ago which indicates a 'Charles SCOTT (1814-47), was the son of David SCOTT (Archibald WATSON's brother-in-law) who was a judge and magistrate in the Bengal Civil Service. He (Charles) rose to the rank of Captain in the Bengal Army and died in Dacca, aged 33.' Does this mean that David SCOTT of NE India may have in fact married? There are a number of 'David SCOTTs' so it is very hard to keep track of them! A point of interest is that Archibald WATSON had six children all of whom were born in India. The eldest four were baptised either in Muttra or Calcutta before he married his cousin Anne SCOTT in Scotland in 1821. However, there is no record of Anne SCOTT ever going to India! My great grandfather Sydney Grandison WATSON was the third of the six children (b. 22 July 1816, died 11 December 1891 at Walwa, Australia; m.(i) Isabella ROBINSON and m.(ii) Constance Maria ARMSTRONG). The other children were Louisa Jessie (b. 30 September 1812, died 1900; m.(i) Lieut. James REMINGTON and m.(ii) George RAMSDEN); Alexa (baptised 31 July 1816 at Muttra, no date of birth, assumed to have died young); Alexandrina [Alexia] (b. 12 September 1819, died 1 February 1889, m. Major Robert Guthrie MacGREGOR); Emily Gershoma (b. 25 October 1828, died ?, m. Col. Murray MACKENZIE); and Lieut. Harry [Henry] Archibald (b. 16 January 1831, died 7 November 1856 in Melbourne, Australia). On the children's baptisimal records no mother 's name is given. However, the name Sarah McCULLOCH appears on Sydney Grandison's marriage certificates (he married twice) and death certificate. We have never been able to trace any details of Sarah McCULLOCH - maybe the listers could help? Regards Brian Watson Sydney/Australia Researching: SCOTT, WATSON, McCULLOCH, MacGREGOR, MACKENZIE, RAMSDEN, REMINGTON At 07:10 PM 1/07/2002 +0100, Pauline McGregor Currien wrote:
Dear Brian and Susie Regarding Colonel Archibald Watson, the original message is below. Arcibald Watson 1779-1855 (The dates as given in the book about David Scott) Also from the book :he was eldest son of James Watson and his wife Anne nee Scott, daughter of Robert Scott of Dunninald. It was Archibald Scott [Watson] who married David Scott of N.E.India's sister Anne. Hope these extra details are correct as far as your records go ? Please correct me if I am wrong. Pauline > The following is taken from a book called "David Scott in N.E.India 1802 > 1831.. a study in British paternalism" which gives a little more detail on > his family tree. Davis Scott's date of birth given as 14.5.1786 in the > family of Scott of Usan and Dunninald in N.E.Scotland. (He did not go out > to India until 1804 approx. ) His father was Archibald Scott who married > twice. Firstly to Elizabeth RENNY by whom he had two daughters whose names > are not given but she was the daughter of Robert Renny. Elizabeth died in > 1761. Secondly Archibald married Margaret CHALMERS daughter of Principal > Chalmers of Kings College Aberdeen. They had 4 children Isabella, Robert, > Anne, and David (of NE India) . David's brother Robert was the first to go > to India as a Writer in Bengal. He was a nominee of Henry Dundas. Both > brothers were influenced by their Uncle also a David Scott whose dates are > given as 1746-1805. Robert in fact married David senior's daughter (name > not given but it may have been Amelia or Louise) David juniors sister Anne > married Archibald WATSON. David himself attended Musselburg Academy and > became a Writer of HEIC in 1801 then later worked ambitiously as Agent to > the Governor General of India. But he had a diseased heart and died at > Cherrapunji in 1831 unmarried. His Grandfather was Robert Scott MP (1705-?) > an Advocate of Dunninald and MP for Angus 1732 -34 and Freeholder of Forfar > in 1743. I presume therefore it was David Scott senior who was EIC Director > and Chairman on his return from India ? > Paulin. It seems all his children were born in India.Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/ See Camilla Genalogy.
Archibald and Anne had the following children:
+ 55 M i Pastoralist Watson Sydney Grandison-62514 was born on 22 Jul 1816. He died on 11 Dec 1891. 56 F ii Watson Louisa Jessie-62509 was born on 30 Sep 1812. She died in 1900.
camilla genealogy.Louisa married (1) Lt Remington James-156758 son of Remington Senior findzzzzzz-16465 and RNotknown Miss-147146.
No notes.Louisa married (2) Ramsden George-19621 son of Ramsden Senior-13944 and RNotknown Miss-144625.
ux4957 F iii Died Young Watson Alexa-41431 was born in 1816 in Muttra, India.
From a http on McGregors. (i) Robert Guthrie b Calcutta 17th Oct 1806. d Bideford, Devon 27th Aug
| | | | | | | | | | | 1867. Major in R. Artillery in India. m (6 Jan 1838) Alexina daur of Major-Gen
| | | | | | | | | | | Archibald Watson H.E.I.C.S.58 F iv Watson Alexandrinia Alexia-28488 was born on 12 Sep 1819. She died on 1 Feb 1889.
Camilla genealogy.Alexandrinia married Major RA Macgregor Robert Guthrie-150302 son of Macgregor Senior-41382 and MNotknown Miss-54022. Robert was born in 1806 in Calcutta. He died in 1867.
ux49 (i) Robert Guthrie b Calcutta 17th Oct 1806. d Bideford, Devon 27th Aug
| | | | | | | | | | | 1867. Major in R. Artillery in India. m (6 Jan 1838) Alexina daur of Major-Gen
| | | | | | | | | | | Archibald Watson H.E.I.C.S.59 F v Watson Emily Gershoma-46428 was born on 25 Oct 1828. Emily married Colonel Mackenzie Murray-61752 son of Mackenzie Senior-8111 and MNotknown Miss-142234.
ux4960 M vi Lt Watson Henry Harry-41027 was born on 16 Jan 1831. He died on 7 Nov 1856 in Melbourne, Australia.
Camilla genealogy.
45. Scott Diane Diana-190967 (David Senior , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ) was born in 1800. She died in 1854.
She is born in 1785 in thepeerage.com. See a http on Gordon family tree as: http://members.optus.net.com.mcde/gordonfam/ -
Diane married Sir Stracey Josias Henry-382626 son of Sir Bart1 Stracey Edward-191046 and Of Lancashire Latham Elizabeth Lathom-191047 in 1800. Josias was born in 1771. He died in 1854/1855.
thepeerage.com. ux42 ux50 netsurf special urgent. thepeerage.com. Burke's LG for Heaton-Ellis of Wyddiall Hall. Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/ See a http on Gordon family tree as: http://members.optus.net.com.mcde/gordonfam/ -
Josias and Diane had the following children:
61 F i Stracey Louisa-41513.
Burke's LG for Heaton-Ellis.Louisa married Heaton-Ellis Charles Arthur-94131 son of MP Ellis John Thomas Heaton-Ellis-78670 and Heaton Marianne-77639 in 1819.
Burke's LG for Heaton-Ellis.+ 62 F ii Stracey Adelaide Eliza-191052 was born in 1806. She died in 1857. + 63 F iii Stracey Nina (Struth)-205115 died in 1891. + 64 M iv Sir Bart5 Stracey Henry Josias-247159. + 65 M v Stracey Hardinge Robert-247160 was born in 1814. 66 F vi Stracey Emma-247294.
See a http on Gordon family tree as: http://members.optus.net.com.mcde/gordonfam/ -
48. Sir succeeds Siballd qv Scott David Sibbald-192439 (David Senior , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ) was born in 1782. He died in 1851/1857.
Code-red. His own obit in The Gentleman's Magazine as Google Books result. See Scott baronets of Dunninald. Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/
David married Grindall Caroline-193122 daughter of Bengal Civil Service Grindall Benjamin-188474 and GNotknown Miss-193119. Caroline died on 25 Jan 1870.
They had the following children:
+ 67 M i Sir Bart2 Scott James Sibbald David-193120 was born in 1814. He died in 1885. + 68 M ii Scott Montagu David-193144 was born in 1818. He died in 1900. 69 F iii Scott Caroline Louisa-193121 died in 1872. Caroline married Maxwell William James-193172 son of Rev Maxwell Patrick-193174 and Sawbridge Elizabeth Anne-193175. William died in 1872. 70 F iv Scott Charlotte Agnes Maria-193123 died on 24 May 1878. 71 F v Scott Ellen Annette-494972.
49. India, opium merchant Shank Henry-45461 (Diana Scott , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ) was born in 1778. He died in 1864.
Code-red. He is active about 1810. Is of Gloucester Place, London. Family seems to be of Castlerig and Gleniston, Co Fife, Scotland. Does he die in 1864 as qv? See other entries on Scott family with many children part-named Sibbald qv. Bulley, Bombay ships, pp. 108ff. He was to be part of firm Shank /Hamilton to compete with Magniac, see S. B. Singh on agency houses, index, p. 13. Powerful India merchant, see Parker's essay on Scots in India, p. 205 in R. A. Cage's book. This man is a nephew of David Scott Snr qv. He is of Castlerig in Scotland in Burke's P&B for Carnac, Rivett-Carnac. Family seems to be of Castlerig and Gleniston, Co Fife, Scotland. Is he son of the other Henry Shank opium dealer, qv? Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/ Cf, BR Tomlinson (School Oriental and African Studies, Univ London, research prof of Economic History), The Empire of Enterprise: Scottish business networks in Asian Trade, 1765-1832. Which discusss one network for David Scott and William Fairlie as network c 1800. Being New York (Gouvernour and Kemble), Copenhagen (Duntzfelt and Co), London (David Scott Jnr and Co, David Scott and separate firm William Lennie), Bombay, Alexander Adamson and Namchund Amichund), Calcutta (Fairlie Gilmore and Co and also William Fairlie), Penang (Robert Scott), Malacca, Batavia, Manila (Locatelle and Camper), Canton (Reid, Beale and Co., John Reid, Alexander Shank, Januario A. de Almeida, Vicente R. de Barron).
Henry married Rivett Anna Marie-187862 daughter of HEICS Rivett James Rivett-Carnac-67894 and Fisher Henrietta-126751. Anna was born in 1783 in Bombay. She died in 1834/1835 in Hastings.
Or, Rivett-Carnac. Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/
Henry and Anna had the following children:
+ 72 F i UK Author Shank Harriet Anne-193117 was born in 1819. She died in 1894. 73 M ii Shank Alexander-193118 was born in 1810.
gaps10 Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/Alexander married Campbell Harriet-382534 daughter of Campbell Progenitor-382622 and CNotknown Miss-382623 in 1847 in Bombay.
ux44 Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/74 M iii Shank James-193125 was born in 1812.
Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/75 F iv Shank Diana-382533 was born in 1813. She died in 1836.
Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/
51. Colonel Watson Archibald-110031 (Anne Scott , Robert , Patrick , Patrick , James , James , James ) was born in 1779 in Rhynd, Perthshire. He died in 1855 in Abbethune, Forfarshire.
He has six children to wife1 before Anne Scott, all of them born in India, eldest four baptised in Muttra or Calcutta, before he marries his cousin Anne Scott. Dates and rank per an emailer per Pauline Currien plus her associate Brian Watson. Dear Brian
Well that is interesting. Certainly I could see no mention of a marriage for David Scott 1786-1831 in the book but I am afraid I am only quoting what I read in the British Library. I was surprised that no marriage was mentioned but then that does not mean he did not have offspring as you know. If I get a chance I will try to pursue Charles Scott further but I do not live in London so do not have access to the books very often. As for your Archibald Watson and Sarah McCulloch that must be a line of enquiry you would like to sort out. I presume you have searched the appropriate films of Bengal marriages ? Certainly I will keep a look out for her too. Tell me what you have searched and I will see if I can think of anything else. I hope you do not mind but I am copying this to Dan Byrnes who is also interested in the Scott family.
All the best
Pauline
- From: Brian Watson <mailto:b_swatson@yahoo.com.au> To: Pauline McGregor Currien Subject: Re: SCOTT, WATSON, McCULLOCH, MacGREGOR, MACKENZIE, RAMSDEN, REMINGTON
Many thanks Pauline for the extra information on the parents of Archibald WATSON, which is in accord with my information. One small point, must be a typo in your first para below, it was Archibald WATSON who married David SCOTT of NE India's sister Anne on 30 July 1821 in Scotland while on leave ..... I have a reference [HODSON Vol 4, p30], taken down by me some time ago which indicates a 'Charles SCOTT (1814-47), was the son of David SCOTT (Archibald WATSON's brother-in-law) who was a judge and magistrate in the Bengal Civil Service. He (Charles) rose to the rank of Captain in the Bengal Army and died in Dacca, aged 33.' Does this mean that David SCOTT of NE India may have in fact married? There are a number of 'David SCOTTs' so it is very hard to keep track of them! A point of interest is that Archibald WATSON had six children all of whom were born in India. The eldest four were baptised either in Muttra or Calcutta before he married his cousin Anne SCOTT in Scotland in 1821. However, there is no record of Anne SCOTT ever going to India! My great grandfather Sydney Grandison WATSON was the third of the six children (b. 22 July 1816, died 11 December 1891 at Walwa, Australia; m.(i) Isabella ROBINSON and m.(ii) Constance Maria ARMSTRONG). The other children were Louisa Jessie (b. 30 September 1812, died 1900; m.(i) Lieut. James REMINGTON and m.(ii) George RAMSDEN); Alexa (baptised 31 July 1816 at Muttra, no date of birth, assumed to have died young); Alexandrina [Alexia] (b. 12 September 1819, died 1 February 1889, m. Major Robert Guthrie MacGREGOR); Emily Gershoma (b. 25 October 1828, died ?, m. Col. Murray MACKENZIE); and Lieut. Harry [Henry] Archibald (b. 16 January 1831, died 7 November 1856 in Melbourne, Australia). On the children's baptisimal records no mother 's name is given. However, the name Sarah McCULLOCH appears on Sydney Grandison's marriage certificates (he married twice) and death certificate. We have never been able to trace any details of Sarah McCULLOCH - maybe the listers could help? Regards Brian Watson Sydney/Australia Researching: SCOTT, WATSON, McCULLOCH, MacGREGOR, MACKENZIE, RAMSDEN, REMINGTON At 07:10 PM 1/07/2002 +0100, Pauline McGregor Currien wrote:
Dear Brian and Susie Regarding Colonel Archibald Watson, the original message is below. Arcibald Watson 1779-1855 (The dates as given in the book about David Scott) Also from the book :he was eldest son of James Watson and his wife Anne nee Scott, daughter of Robert Scott of Dunninald. It was Archibald Scott [Watson] who married David Scott of N.E.India's sister Anne. Hope these extra details are correct as far as your records go ? Please correct me if I am wrong. Pauline > The following is taken from a book called "David Scott in N.E.India 1802 > 1831.. a study in British paternalism" which gives a little more detail on > his family tree. Davis Scott's date of birth given as 14.5.1786 in the > family of Scott of Usan and Dunninald in N.E.Scotland. (He did not go out > to India until 1804 approx. ) His father was Archibald Scott who married > twice. Firstly to Elizabeth RENNY by whom he had two daughters whose names > are not given but she was the daughter of Robert Renny. Elizabeth died in > 1761. Secondly Archibald married Margaret CHALMERS daughter of Principal > Chalmers of Kings College Aberdeen. They had 4 children Isabella, Robert, > Anne, and David (of NE India) . David's brother Robert was the first to go > to India as a Writer in Bengal. He was a nominee of Henry Dundas. Both > brothers were influenced by their Uncle also a David Scott whose dates are > given as 1746-1805. Robert in fact married David senior's daughter (name > not given but it may have been Amelia or Louise) David juniors sister Anne > married Archibald WATSON. David himself attended Musselburg Academy and > became a Writer of HEIC in 1801 then later worked ambitiously as Agent to > the Governor General of India. But he had a diseased heart and died at > Cherrapunji in 1831 unmarried. His Grandfather was Robert Scott MP (1705-?) > an Advocate of Dunninald and MP for Angus 1732 -34 and Freeholder of Forfar > in 1743. I presume therefore it was David Scott senior who was EIC Director > and Chairman on his return from India ? > Paulin. It seems all his children were born in India.Update of 5-2-2008 per e-mailer Frances Allen, a Scott descendant, of 1 Sillwood Mansions, 9 Sillwood Place, Brighton 8NI 2LH UK at info@francesallen.com and see http://www.francesallen.com/ See Camilla Genalogy.
Archibald married Scott Anne-40809 daughter of Of Usan Scott Archibald-83007 and Wife2 Chalmers Margaret-104637 in 1821.
All her children seem to have been born in India. One view is that she is cousin of husband.
Archibald and Anne had the following children:
+ 76 M i Pastoralist Watson Sydney Grandison-62514 is printed as #55. 77 F ii Watson Louisa Jessie-62509 is printed as #56. 78 F iii Died Young Watson Alexa-41431 is printed as #57. 79 F iv Watson Alexandrinia Alexia-28488 is printed as #58. 80 F v Watson Emily Gershoma-46428 is printed as #59. 81 M vi Lt Watson Henry Harry-41027 is printed as #60.
52. Lt-Col, 31st Foot Arbuthnot Robert-235727 (Robert Arbuthnot , Alexander Junior Arbuthnot , Jean Scott , Patrick , James , James , James ) died in 1796.
Robert married Murray Cordelia-235728 daughter of Murray Progenitor-235795 and MNotknown Miss-235796.
They had the following children:
+ 82 M i Sir Arbuthnot Alexander Dundas Young-235724. 83 F ii Arbuthnot Josette-235790.
JOSETTE. Married first, 29.12.1808, Captain Hughes. Dau of Lt-Colonel Robert Arbuthnot, Jr (Murray). Married, second, General Sir De Lacy Evans.Josette married (1) Capt Hughes Capt-235791 son of Hughes Senior-236358 and HNotknown Miss-236359. Josette married (2) MP, General Sir Evans De Lacy-235792 son of Evans Senior-235793 and ENotknown Miss-235794.
View web stats from www.statcounter.com/ for this website begun 4 July 2006
