92. Brander Alice Ellen-87950 (Mangles James Brander , James Mainwaring Brander , Mary Mangles , Timothy , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1852 in India. She died in 1929.
Alice married Macnaghten William Hay-288324 son of Member Indian Council Macnaghten Elliot Workman-335276 and Law Isabella-421978. William was born in 1842. He died in 1889.
They had the following children:
94. Mangles Alice Isabella-302953 (James Henry , Charles Edward , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1860 in Lurgashall.
E-mail update August 2006 per Penny Graham, UK. From a 14-page PDF with 174 footnotes for IGI/LDS lodgement, dated 27 August 2006, by Marcus Bateman, UK, sighted from 2-6-2007. See also, Alice M. Coats, Forgotten Gardeners, III: The Mangles Family, Garden History, Summer 1973, Vol. 1, No. 3, pp. 42-46., where she has a hybrid rhododendron named after her, "Alice Mangles".
Alice married Artist Daffarn William George-338893 son of Daffarn Joseph-338894 and DNotknown Miss-338895. William was born in 1871 in Edmondton Midx.
Loose http item on this man. He is born 28 Nov 1850 at NO. 1 Northumberland Terrace, Fore Street, Edmondton Midx.
William and Alice had the following children:
98. Mangles Cecil Gardiner-338878 (Frank , Charles Edward , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ).
From a 14-page PDF with 174 footnotes for IGI/LDS lodgement, dated 27 August 2006, by Marcus Bateman, UK, sighted from 2-6-2007.
Cecil married Miller Honoria Emilie Bridget-338898 daughter of Miller Robert-338899 and MNotknown Miss-338900.
They had the following children:
138 M i Mangles John Smithies-338903 was born in 1928 in Elstead Lodge Colchester.
103. Guthrie Agnes Dorothea-132065 (Elenor Stirling , Ellen Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) died in 1941.
She is dr 3 in http.
Agnes married Anstruther Charles Frederick St Clair (Thomson)-132056 son of Colonel Anstruther-Thompson John Anstruther-128219 and wife1 Gray Carolina Maria Agnes Robina-74184. Charles was born in 1855. He died in 1925.
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Charles and Agnes had the following children:
104. Guthrie Lilias Georgina-116350 (Elenor Stirling , Ellen Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) died on 20 Sep 1951.
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Lilias married Rodd James Rennell-118045 son of Major Rodd James Rennell-127989 and Thomson Elizabeth Anne-161377 on 27 Oct 1894. James was born on 9 Nov 1858 in London, England. He died on 26 Jul 1941 in Ardath, Shamley Green, Surrey, England.
From "Dictionary of National Biography" (1941-1950 supplement): "RODD, JAMES RENNELL, first BARON RENNELL (1858 -1941), diplomatist and scholar, was born in London 9 November 1858, the only son of a Cornishman, Major James Rennell Rodd, of the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry, by his wife, Elizabeth Anne, third daughter of Dr. Anthony Todd Thomson. He was a grandson of Vice-Admiral Sir John Tremayne Rodd, from whom he may have inherited his devotion to the sea, and James Rennell, the geographer [q.v.], was his great-grandfather. He was educated at Haileybury and at Balliol College, Oxford, where, as a commoner, he was awarded a third class in honour moderations (1878) and a second class in _literae_humaniores_ (1880). He won the Newdigate prize for English verse in 1880 with a poem on Sir Walter Raleigh. "After a period of travel abroad, in France and Italy, Rodd much frequented the artistic and literary world of that time in London, and associated with men like (Sir) Edward Burne-Jones, who urged him to become a painter, Oscar Wilde, and J. A. McN. Whistler [qq.v.]. He eventually decided, however, in favour of diplomacy, in which, beyond a formal nomination for examination for the diplomatic service from Lord Granville, he had no sort of official or family influence to help him; yet his rise was rapid and at all important stages in his career he received approbation and expressions of confidence from successive secretaries of state. In 1884 he was sent as
attache' to Berlin, being promoted third secretary in 1885, and during his service there he won the esteem of the Crown Prince and Princess. With the help of materials given to him by the Empress Frederick he published in 1888 Frederick: Crown Prince and Emperor, a biography which gave great offense in imperial circles at Berlin. That he might have said more than he did was apparent from his letters to _The_Times_ in 1928 which showed that the initiative in summoning (Sir) Morell Mackenzie [q.v.] to attend the Crown Prince came from German doctors rather than, as was freely alleged, from the Crown Princess. "From Berlin, Rodd was moved in 1888 to his first post in that area where his most important diplomatic and scholarly work was done, and became second secretary at Athens. Three years later he went to Rome, which he could remember in the days of the temporal power, and which he had visited in 1879 and 1880, and thence in 1892 to Paris. His stay was short, for in 1893 he was in charge of the British agency at Zanzibar and acting commissioner for British East Africa. As such he was in command of the expedition known as the second Witu campaign, and was present at the actions of Pumwani and Jongeni.From Zanzibar he was transferred in 1894 to Cairo where he worked with devotion and admiration under Lord Cromer [q.v.] in whose absences on leave he was in charge. His first important mission was in 1897 when he was sent to Abyssinia to negotiate a treaty with the Emperor Menelik. By it he secured permanent British representation at the Emperor's court, a
most-favoured-nation arrangement in regard to commerce and to prevent munitions of war for the Mahdists passage through Abyssinia, and a definition of frontiers on the north and east of that country (but not on the south and west). He was rewarded by appointment as C.B. and in 1899 as K.C.M.G. for his management of the work in the agency at Cairo during the Fashoda
crisis. Returning to Rome in 1902 as first secretary, he negotiated several treaties of delimitation of African territories with the Italian Government, and after the promotion to the rank of counsellor of embassy he was transferred to Stockholm as minister, receiving the G.C.V.O. in 1905. "There now followed the most notable appointment in Rodd's career. During his tenure of the embassy at Rome from 1908 to 1919, not only did he prove to be _persona_gratissima_ in all circles but his judgement was invaluable to the British Government during the anxious days before Italy joined the Allies in 1915. Convinced that it was merely a matter of time and opportunity before Italy joined the Triple Entente, Rodd, acting in close understanding with his French colleague, refrained from exerting direct pressure and preferred, as a matter of psychological tactics, to allow the logic of events to weigh with the Italian Government in choosing the course of action felt to be in harmony with higher Italian interests as well as compatible with Italy's legal obligations under the Triple Alliance. The event justified his policy and he was rewarded with the G.C.M.G. He left the embassy in 1919, on being transferred to Lord Milner's special commission on the status of Egypt, and, having been promoted G.C.B. in 1920, he retired from the diplomatic service in 1921. "Retirement did not mean the close of Rodd's active work in foreign affairs. In 1921 and 1932 he was a representative of the British Government at the General Assembly of the League of Nations; in 1925 he was president of the court of conciliation between Austria and Switzerland; in 1928 he sat on the permanent commission for the advancement of peace between the United States and Venezuela. In that same year he turned to home politics and represented St. Marylebone as a Conservative from 1928 to 1932.In 1933 he was raised to the peerage as Baron Rennell, of Rodd, in the county of Hereford. He had been sworn of the Privy Council in 1908. "Considering what heavy claims were made on Rodd's time by his official work, his output of literary and scholastic work was remarkable. Between 1881 and 1940 he published some twenty volumes including a number of collections of poems, of which those to become the best known were Ballads of the Fleet, first published in 1897, and some renderings from the Greek Anthology (_Love, _Worship_, and _Death_, first published in 1916). His reminiscences
(_Social_and_Diplomatic_Memories_, 3 vols., 1922-5) give an authentic and pleasing account of the years of his official life. His classical and medieval studies bore fruit in _Customs_and_Lore_of_Modern_Greece_ (1892) and The Princess of Achaia and the Chronicles of Morea_ (2 vols., 1907). His detailed knowledge of the city of Rome is exhibited in what, outside learned circles, is his best-known work, _Rome_of_the_Rennaissance_and_Today_(1932); but his most important achievement may be held to be his _Homer's_Ithaca_ (1927), where his scholarship, local knowledge, seamanship, and common sense were all used to refute the theory propounded by Doerpfeld that the home of Odysseus was not in Ithaca but in Leucas (Santa Maura). His exposition led to excavations being carried out which have been held to confirm Rodd's thesis. "Courteous, unassuming, modest, but resolute, Rodd must be given a high place among the diplomats of his generation. He quickly won the devotion of his subordinates, the respect of the statesmen with whom he had to deal, and the affection of the learned men at Rome. His hobby was archaeology, and in pursuit of it, at the age of seventy-six, he narrowly escaped shipwreck. Whenever it was possible he owned or chartered a sailing yacht. Wherever he went he was greatly assisted by the talent and enterprise of his wife whom he married in 1894, Lilias Georgina (died 1951), fifth daughter of James Alexander Guthrie, of Craigie, Forfar. They had four sons and two daughters, and he was succeeded by his eldest son, Francis James Rennell (born 1895), a distinguished geographer and public servant. Rodd received numerous honours in foreign countries such as the Italian Order of St. Maurice and St.Lazarus and the Greek Order of the Redeemer, but none did he appreciate more than his election to the Accademia dei Lincei. He died at Ardath, Shamley Green, Surrey, 26 July 1941...." thepeerage.com.
James and Lilias had the following children:
+ 140 F i Hon Rodd Gloria Ellinor-59265 died in Oct 1975. + 141 M ii Baron2 Rennell Rodd Francis James Rennell-240794. 142 M iii Rodd Gustaf Guthrie Rennell-279265 was born in 1905. Gustaf married Marling Yvonne Mary-279266 daughter of Sir Marling Charles Murray-279271 and MNotknown Miss-279272.
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105. Guthrie Walter Murray-393885 (Elenor Stirling , Ellen Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ).
Walter married Leslie Olive Louisa Blanche-244237 daughter of Sir Bart1 Leslie John-244238 and Dawson-Damer Constance Wilhelmina Frances-92627. Olive was born in 1872. She died in 1945.
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Walter and Olive had the following children:
+ 143 F i Guthrie Bridget Mary Idol-393889.
107. Guthrie David Charles-279275 (Elenor Stirling , Ellen Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1861. He died in 1918.
He is fifth of Craigie.
David married Low Mary-279276 daughter of Cotton factor Low Andrew II-393892 and Styles Mary Cowper-393893. Mary died in 1932.
They had the following children:
109. wife1 Tombs Dorothea Glwadys-43654 (Georgiana Janet Stirling , Ellen Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ).
She is dr1. GEC, Peerage, Lanesborough, p. 427. GEC, Peerage, Sutherland, p. 568.
Dorothea married Earl7 Lanesborough Butler Charles John Brinsley-46940 son of Earl6 Lanesboro Butler John Vansittart (Danvers)-43653 and Clark Anne Elizabeth-43659 on 31 Jan 1891. Charles was born on 12 Dec 1865.
He is son1. GEC, Peerage, Sutherland, p. 568. Burke's Peerage, for Lanesborough. GEC, Peerage, Lanesborough, p. 427.
Charles and Dorothea had the following children:
110. Onslow Arthur-107468 (Henry John Hughes Hughes-Onslow , Caroline Mangles , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ).
Arthur married Whitehead Anne-97760 daughter of Whitehead Senior-185844 and WNotknown Miss-185845.
They had the following children:
+ 146 M i Sir Onslow Geoffrey Henry-70054.
119. Lowis John-302974 (Ellen Mangles , Ross Donnelly , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1855 in Bengal.
E-mail update August 2006 per Penny Graham, UK.
John married Hill M. E. Monica-302975 daughter of Hill Progenitor-302976 and HNotknown Miss-302977 in 1892 in Bengal.
E-mail update August 2006 per Penny Graham, UK.
John and Hill M. E. Monica had the following children:
147 M i Lowis John Rollo-302978 was born in 1893. He died in 1918 in Flanders in battle.
E-mail update August 2006 per Penny Graham, UK.
130. Colonel Mangles Arthur Edward Ross-171704 (Ross Lowis , Ross Donnelly , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1868. He died in 1933.
http on Descendants of Richard Garth.
Arthur married Butler Nellie Sophia-171703 daughter of Dr Md, Indian Med Service Butler Ebenezer Robert-171700 and Keatinge Miss Notknown-171699 in Jun 1898 in Horsham. Nellie was born on 28 Mar 1869.
http on Descendants of Richard Garth.
Arthur and Nellie had the following children:
131. Mangles Mary Harriet-303110 (Ross Lowis , Ross Donnelly , James , Robert , William , Progenitor 2015 ) was born in 1864.
Mary married Power Kingsmill Henry-136259 son of Power Henry-146931 and Eliot Mary-109041.
They had the following children:
153 M i Power Henry Ross-109042 was born in 1897. 154 F ii Power Nancy Mary-452580 was born in 1901.
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