26. Merchant, slaver, of Glasgow and London Herries Michael-48821 (William , Francis of Harthwaithe , William , Robert , William , Progenitor 2012 ) was born in 1715. He died on 31 Dec 1799.
He deals swith the slavers of D. Hancock circle, needs further examination. Suspicion his wife Blackburn is with the family Blackburn with tea in 1773 time of Boston Tea Party. Booker on Herries, table. He is cousin to Rbt Herries inventor of travellers cheque. D. Hancock, merchants, text.
Michael married Blackburn Anne-9623 daughter of Blackburn Senior-189564 and BNotknown Miss-189565. Anne died on 2 Dec 1792.
ux333 D. Hancock, merchants, text. Was her family part of the Blackburn with tea in 1773 time of Boston Tea Party? Booker on Herries, table.
Michael and Anne had the following children:
41 M i Herries Willam-114210 died in Feb 1795.
Booker on Herries, table. Unmarried.
27. Orr Agnes-48799 (Agnes Dalrymple , Elizabeth Herries , William , Robert , William , Progenitor 2012 ).
Booker on Herries.
Agnes married Rev Young William-114181 son of Young Senior-171607 and YNotknown Miss-171608.
Booker on Herries.
William and Agnes had the following children:
+ 42 M i Young Alexander-48801.
31. Sir, tobacco buyer for French, MP Bank NSW Herries Robert-43119 (William , Robert , Robert , Robert , William , Progenitor 2012 ) was born in 1730. He died in 1815 in Cheltenham.
Sir Robert Herries. His own entry by John Booker in English DNB, 2004 edition. He died curiously short of money! The name Herries is very poor on Internet IGI. See his cousin Michael dealing with slavers in D. Hancock, merchants, text. See on the Boston Party Tea deal, Merchants Hope of Amsterdam and Herries role, BW Labaree, pp. 68-69. Need to establish more on connection with Bank of NSW. See re W. S. Davidson with this bank in De Falbe's book. urgent find more see Butlin, Foundation, p. 472, this firm of Herries, Farquhar and Co. arose by 1798 or earlier in London and has links with Bank of NSW so see a history of that bank.
On links of John Charles Herries to Rothschild see Kynaston, City of London, p. 54. See notes from John Booker's book. He is sharp, enterprising, ruthless, Herries ousted Cochrane from the former bank, in 1766, the beginning of the end for the Coutts/Herries linkage. After 1766 Herries approached the French farmers-general, to sell them tobacco he got from Scots buyers in North America. by 1776 or so the French threw him over for his competitor, which Healey does not name, but was presumably Rbt Morris. (?) Herries tried his travellers' cheque idea with the banker Thomas Hope of Hope and Co., Amsterdam, who helped greatly by 1770 with "traveller's chqs". Herries set up on his own in 1772 (lucky to survive Fordyce crash?) with Sir Wm Forbes. Edna Healey's book on Coutts pp. 100ff VIP. See Count Corti's book on Rothschilds. See name in Atchison's thesis. See Dyster on Fanning and Jones, p. 373, Note 20, that W. S. Davidson was linked to Herries and Farquhar and Co by 1844 or so (as is noted in De Falbe's book). This man's uncle saved the family from financial ruin by working in Rotterdam. Namier/Brooke, Vol. 2, p. 615. Sayers on Lloyds, pp. 191ff, re bank Herries Farquar and Co, in St James' St, founder was Robert Herries, son of an impoverished Scots laird who put his son into a Rotterdam trading house, who then went into Hope and Co. of Amsterdam, then Herries set up on his own at Barcelona, when he spread to Valencia and Montpelier, at Rotterdam he had known John Coutts of Edinburgh, when the Coutts' had two London establishments, a counting house in Jeffrey's Sq, St Mary Axe, and the bankers Messrs Thomas and John Coutts of the Strand, which derived from an earlier firm of Middleton and Campbell, and one Coutts had married into the Campbell family. By 1762 the St Mary Axe Coutts branch had run thin so Coutts brought in Robert Herries, in 1762 to deal in Europe, purely banking, with the title John Coutts and Co of Lonodn and Edinburgh, where it dealt with goods on commission, Herries, Cochrane and Co, Herries eclipsed the Coutts interest in the house by 1774. In 1771 the Coutts Bros severed alll connexion with firm leaving it to Herries and his partners Sir William Forbes and James Hunter Blair in control, who with Heries' relations and Sir William Pultney found the London Exchange Banking Co. for protoptype traveller's chqs. Hopes of Amsterdam extended system across Europe., Herries had intrigued successfully against Thomas Walpole and Edinburgh firm William Alexander and Sons to get the purchasing contract of French Farmers-General, got the Scots contract in 1771 and the London one in 1774. but this control disturbed Forbes and Hunter Blair, so they withdrew from p/ship in 1775, in June 1776 Herries heard from Robert Morris who warned that unless Herries could find a way to ship American tobacco to France, Morris would have to take up the contract himself. Herries' agents were alllowed to go to British occupied areas in America to try to buy tobacco. In May 1781 Herries suggested that American be allowed to trade direct with India. He travelled widely, had a place at Cheltenham. Cf, Sir W. Forbes, Mems of a Banking House. Re origin of travellers chqs see Sir William Forbes of Pitsligo, Bart, Ed 2 of Memoirs of a Banking House, Edinburgh, 1860, pp. 28ff. Herries found Coutts not interested in travellers chqs so took a house in St James' Street in partnership with London Exchange Banking Co, opened for business on Jan 1, 1772. Coutts upset as their kind of customers used this service which Herries provided. Later this firm was Sir Robert Herries and Co. Sayers on Lloyds, p. 13, In 1772 Robert Herries opened at No 16 St Sames' Street, offering travellers letters of credit, as Herries/Farquar the bank became a fashionable West End Bank, till abosrbed by Lloyds in 1839. See Sayers on Lloyds Bank. This man's father is Robert Herries, 1709-1791, he is merchant at Amsterdam and had a son also Robert Herries, Sayers here p. 341. in 1772 Herries senior is founding partner of London Exchange Banking Co. See notes on windfall prices for Speirs in Glasgow during 1775-1777 in Am Rev in Devine on Speirs, pp. 506ff, and see VIP notes on Martens, Robert Burton on tobacco handling during Am Rev via neutral islands. Also see Richard Oswald. See Price, Rise Glasgow, p. 191, citing Sir William Forbes of Pitsligo, Memoirs of a Banking House. London and Edin, 1860. See Sayers on Lloyd's, p. 341, this Sir Rbt Herries born c. 1731, a nephew of Robert Herries and a son of John Herries of Halldykes. in 1754 he established a merchant's business in Barcelona. in 1762 a partner in John Coutts and Co. merchants and bankers of Edinburgh, and Herries Cochrane and Co merchants of London. in 1772 he is also a founding partner of London Exchange Banking Co. The name Herries is very poor on Internet IGI. See his cousin Michael dealing with slavers in D. Hancock, merchants, text. See on the Boston Party Tea deal, Merchants Hope of Amsterdam and Herries role, BW Labaree, pp. 68-69. Need to establish more on connection with Bank of NSW. See re W. S. Davidson with this bank in De Falbe's book. urgent find more see Butlin, Foundation, p. 472, this firm of Herries, Farquhar and Co. in London has links with Bank of NSW so see a history of that bank.
On links of John Charles Herries to Rothschild see Kynaston, City of London, p. 54. See notes from John Booker's book. He is sharp, enterprising, ruthless, Herries ousted Cochrane from the former
bank, in 1766, the beginning of the end for the Coutts/Herries linkage. After 1766 Herries approached the French farmers-general, to sell them tobacco he got from Scots buyers in North America. by 1776 or so the French threw him over for his competitior, which Healey does not name, but was presumably Rbt Morris. (?) Herries tried his travellers' cheque idea with the banker Thomas Hope of Amsterdam. > Herries set up on his own in 1772 (lucky to survive Fordyce crash?) with Sir Wm Forbes. Edna Healey's book on Coutts pp. 100ff VIP. See Count Corti's book on Rothschilds. See name in Atchison's thesis.
See Dyster on Fanning and Jones, p. 373, Note 20, that W. S. Davidson was linked to Herries and Farquhar and Co by 1844 or so (as is noted in De Falbe's book). This man's uncle saved the family from financial ruin by working in Rotterdam. Namier/Brooke, Vol. 2, p. 615. Sayers on Lloyds, pp. 191ff, re bank Herries Farquar and Co, in St James' St, founder was Robert Herries, son of an impoverished Scots laird who put his son into a Rotterdam trading house, who then went into Hope and Co of Amsterdam, then Herries set up on his own at Barcelona, when he spread to Valencia and Montpelier, at Rotterdam he had known John Coutts of Edinburgh, when the Coutts' had two London establishments, a counting house in Jeffrey's Sq, St Mary Axe, and the bankers Messrs Thomas and John Coutts of the Strand, which derived from an earlier firm of Middleton and Campbell, and one Coutts had married into the Campbell family. By 1762 the St Mary Axe Coutts branch had run thin so Coutts brought in Robert Herries, in 1762 to deal in Europe, purely banking, with the title John Coutts and Co of Lonodn and Edinburgh, where it dealt with goods on commission, Herries, Cochrane and Co, Herries eclipsed the Coutts interest in the house by 1774. In 1771 the Coutts Bros severed alll connexion with firm leaving it to Herries and his partners Sir William Forbes and James Hunter Blair in control, who with Heries' relations and Sir William Pultney found the London Exchange Banking Co. for prototype traveller's chqs. Hopes of Amsterdam extended system across Europe. Herries had intrigued successfully against Thomas Walpole and Edinburgh firm William Alexander and Sons to get the purchasing contract of French Farmers-General, got the Scots contract in 1771 and the London one in 1774. but this control disturbed Forbes and Hunter Blair, so they withdrew from p/ship in 1775, in June 1776 Herries heard from Robert Morris who warned that unless Herries could find a way to ship American tobacco to France, Morris would have to take up the contract himself. Herries' agents were alllowed to go to British occupied areas in America to try to buy tobacco. In May 1781 Herries suggested that American be allowed to trade direct with India. He travelled widely, had a place at Cheltenham. Cf, Sir W. Forbes, Mems of a Banking House. re origin of travellers chqs see Sir William Forbes of Pitsligo, Bart, Ed 2 of Memoirs of a Banking House, Edinburgh, 1860, pp. 28ff. Herries found Coutts not interested in travellers chqs so took a house in St James' Street in partnership with London Exchange Banking Co, opened for business on Jan 1, 1772. Coutts upset as their kind of customers used this service which Herries provided. Later this firm was Sir Robert Herries and Co. Sayers on Lloyds, p. 13, In 1772 Robert Herries opened at No 16 St Sames' Street, offering travellers letters of credit, as Herries/Farquar the bank became a fashionable West End Bank, till abosrbed by Lloyds in 1839. See Sayers on Lloyds Bank. This man's father is Robert Herries, 1709-1791, he is merchant at Amsterdam and had a son also Robert Herries, Sayers here p. 341. in 1772 Herries senior is founding partner of London Exchange Banking Co. See notes on windfall prices for Speirs in Glasgow during 1775-1777 in Am Rev in Devine on Speirs, pp. 506ff, and see VIP notes on Martens, Robert Burton on tobacco handling during Am Rev via neutral islands. Also see Richard Oswald. See Price, Rise Glasgow, p. 191, citing Sir William Forbes of Pitsligo, Memoirs of a Banking House. London and Edin, 1860. See Sayers on Lloyd's, p. 341, this Sir Rbt Herries born c. 1731, a nephew of Robert Herries and a son of John Herries of Halldykes. in 1754 he established a merchant's business in Barcelona. in 1762 a partner in John Coutts and Co. merchants and bankers of Edinburgh, and Herries Cochrane and Co merchants of London. in 1772 he is also a founding partner of London Exchange Banking Co. Knighted in 1774, retired from business in 1798. see also, p. 193 of Sayers.Namier/Brooke. See notes for his son robert. Following is from Namier.Brooke, Vol. 2, p. 615. Herries is son of prodigal father, who had a brother Robert who is a Rotterdam merchant who rescues family from ruin. took Robert into his business in 1747, uncle retired to Scotland, Herries statyed in Holland in partnership with another uncle till c.1753, when with help from Hopes of Amsterdam he set up in Barcelona as wine merchant; extending to Valencia and Montpelier, plus trade with America, France and Medit. In 1762 he accepted invitation from Thomas and James Coutts to become principal partner in their father's firm John Coutts and Company of Edinburgh and London. So Herries withdrew from all except his Barcelona interests and made HQ in London. In 1771 Coutts severed connection with him, he was now with Forbes and Blair, who with Herries relatives and Sir Wm Pulteney founded London Exchange Banking Co., for traveller's cheques, this system through Hopes went from Lisbon to Moscow. Herries intrigued against Thomas Walpole and the Edinburgh firm of William Alexander and Sons to get purchase contract for French Farmers-General in 1771, and a London contract in 1774 plus control of outport funds, but the scale of speculation now disturbed Hunter and Blair who now severed connection with Herries. Despite disfavour with the French he survived as their agent till war of 1793 or poste. North admin which he advised made him Bart in 1774, in June 1776 Herries received a letter from (probably) Robert Morris on the American situation, warning that unless Herries could find ways to get tobacco shipped to France, Morris would need to yield to planter demands and use the contract himself. Herries showed letter to Germaine, and harrassed govt to save his contract, block American tobacco negotiations in France and find permission to trade with America despite blockades. Germain helped provide Herries with such protectons despite disapproval eg from North. Herries beccomes interested in politics by 1780 and wanted direct trade between India and the American colonies. (an idea Baring later promoted). He later travelled widely and lived a time in Paris. In 1798 he retired from business to Cheltenham where he died 25 Feb 1815. Informant to Namier here is Dr. J. M. Price. gapskey
Robert married (1) Of Kent Foote Catherine-43120 daughter of Rev of Charlton Place Kent Foote Francis Hender-42414 and Mann Catherine-34478. Catherine was born in 1762. She died in 1808.
See Foote in items from GEC, Peerage, Fitzwalter of Woodham Walter, p. 494. Namier/Brooke.
Robert married (2) Lover Scott Martha-292796 daughter of Scott Progenitor-258913 and SNotknown Miss-258914.
They had the following children:
+ 43 F i Illegit wife1 Herries Nina-292797.
32. Colonel, of Herries/Farquhar Herries Charles-48750 (William , Robert , Robert , Robert , William , Progenitor 2012 ) was born in 1745. He was christened in 1778. He died in 1819. He was buried in Westminster,Abbey.
ux333 for recheck re ps "Merchant". He bankrupts in 1798. Edna Healey on Coutts, p. 100. DNB for his son. It was John Charles Herries sent to look into Alexr Davision's affairs, but the man with civil servant William Bragge is sec to Vansittart, ie, John Charles. Merchant Rotterdam Colonel of Light Horse Volunteers of London and Westminster. Said to be an army officer buried in nave of Westminster Abbey. Booker on Herries, table.
Charles married Johnson Mary Ann-21257 daughter of Johnson Progenitor-147667 and JNotknown Miss-137789. Mary was christened in 1778 in active.
re ps ux333 for recheck DNB for her son.
Charles and Mary had the following children:
+ 44 M i Army Commissary, Sec Exchqr Herries John Charles-21229 was born in 1778. He died on 24 Apr 1855. + 45 M ii Major-General Herries William Lewis-48842 was born in 1785. He died in 1857. 46 F iii Herries Catherine-86085.
Booker on Herries, table.Catherine married Rev at Corse Glocs Creed Henry-48840 son of Creed John Stephens-94605 and CNotknown Miss-151007.
ux333 re Harry Creed qv. He has a twin brother. Booker on Herries, table.47 F iv Unm Herries Julia-114222.
Booker on Herries, table.48 F v Herries Anna-114229 is printed as #40. + 49 F vi Herries Harriet-567642. 50 M vii Herries William Lewis-567707. 51 F viii Herries Isabella Maria-567708.
Unmarried.52 F ix Herries Catherine-567709. 53 F x Herries Julia Mary-567710.
38. West India merchant Young Robert-567643 (Mary Herries , Robert , Robert , Robert , William , Progenitor 2012 ).
ux333
Robert married Herries Harriet-567642 daughter of Colonel, of Herries/Farquhar Herries Charles-48750 and Johnson Mary Ann-21257.
They had the following children:
54 M i Young Alexander William-567692 was born in 1769. Alexander married Keningston H.-567693 daughter of Keningston Progenitor-86077 and KNotknown Miss-567658. + 55 M ii Indian Civil Service Young Robert Herries Spearman-567694 was born in 1782.
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