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6. MP, Sir Bart1, Forbes and Co Bombay, opium Forbes Charles-17383 (George , John , George , Progenitor 2010 ) was born on 3 Apr 1773/1774 in Lochell. He died on 20 Nov 1849.
Sir Charles Forbes Bart1. Contractor military for Wellington. Code-India. Code-red. He is son3. He has three drs. He is of Lochell ,MP, Scotland, India house, agency house, Bombay Merchant. He is investor in Australian Agricultural Company of the 1820s. Inglis/Willis family tree per Iseke. Note re name Stewart that in book by Bulley on Bombay country ships, there is a John Stewart of Forbes and Co. Charles leaves India in 1811 for England, in debate on renewal of EICo charter he supports Indian shipping and freeing of trade, rejects the EICo monopoly,and he is against the introduction of missionaries. At end of French wars is money trouble, one of Pestonjee Bomanjee's associates fails, he becomes an MP, supports the anti-reform position in English life of James Silk Buckingham. By 1839 he becomes a Baronet, became an opponent of opium trade in which he'd earlier participated circa 1804. His uncle John (died 1821) leaves India in 1799. He has uncle John qv who arrives in Bombay in 1784 as a junior writer and starts "the family firm". Per Iseke, and Bulley on country ships, pp. 178ff, this man later tells a parlt inquiry that in 1803-1805, his own partnership and Bruce Fawcett and Co. one supplied the Bombay Treasury with nearly two and a half million sterling, Wm Crawford is of Bruce Fawcett firm; in 1800 the partners of Smith, Forbes and Co. were James Smith, Charles Forbes and Arthur Mitchell Forbes (who was killed in a duel with George Bridges Bellassis in 1826), so the firm becomes Forbes and Co. (?). Hodson lists. He is created Bart (1?) in 4 November 1823. He is Bart2 in http: item. He dies 1829 in Indian Dict Biog (incorrectly?). See re email from Patricia Iseke on 3-2-2001. He and wife in Holland House diaries. Burke's P&B for Forbes of Newe. When Lachlan Macquarie is attacked in Parliament, he is defended by Sir Charles Forbes, Sir James Mackintosh and W. T. Money who had been in India at Bombay. He is a nephew of John Forbes in India, see Ellis on Lachlan Macquarie, p. 98. He and wife had four sons and two drs. He is created baronet in Patent in 1823. He is of Newes and Edinglassie, Aberdeenshire, he is a descendant of Alexander Forbes of Kinaldie, and in 1833 served heir male in general to Alexander, Lord3 Forbes of Pitsligo, father of Alexander, Lord4 Forbes. He is educated at Aberdeen University. then went to India to become head of Forbes and Co of Bombay, so who preceded him there?). He is a Tory of tories, supported Catholic Emancipation. Advocated claims of women for franchise. He thought the 1830s reform bill "a hideous monster". "advocated justice for India". Bombay erected a statue in his honour for improving water supply. On Forbes and Forbes in City in 1847 re cotton and Jamsetjee Jeejeebhoy, money tight in City, See Kynaston, City of London, p. 154. His own DNB entry. He is noted as friend of Lachlan Macquarie in Ellis' biog of Macarthur. See Parker's essay in R. A. Cage on Scots in India, p. 200 re this firm as one of the three biggest agency houses in Bombay, in 1803-1805 he loaned the EICO/Wellington at war with locals, nearly two and a half million pound(s) sterling,this "investment" was centred at Poonah.
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Bottom of Form 2 From www.a2a.org.uk: FILE - Papers concerning Bombay. - ref. IOR/H/333 - date: 1769-1814 pp. 605-60, Reference to Directors by Bombay Government, 6th Aug. 1804, of a difference with the Firms of Charles Forbes & Co. and Bruce Fawcett, respecting the calculation of Tonnage in the case of the China Ships; pp. 628-32, Methods of calculating tonnage. British Library, India Office Records: Private Papers [Mss Eur F290 - Mss Eur K489] \_ [from Scope and Content] Correspondence of (Sir) Charles Forbes, 1st Bart (1774-1849), of Forbes and Company, Bombay, MP 1812-32, relating to business affairs and social life. British Library, India Office Records: Private Papers [Mss Eur Hodgson - Mss Eur C259] \_ [from Scope and Content] Letters and accounts from Forbes & Co., Bombay, to Mrs Georgiana Anne Heard, c/o Messrs Hoars & Co, London, relating mainly to her holding of 6 per cent Bengal Government Promissory Notes. \_ [from Scope and Content] Letter, dated 29 Oct 1831, from Raja Rammohun Roy (1772-1833), Indian social and religious reformer, to Sir Charles Forbes, 1st Bart (1774-1849), of Forbes & Company, Bombay, MP 1812-32, requesting details of the case of Nawab Hyat Sahib who surrendered Bednur to the British in 1783. Also: Mss Eur C549 Creation dates: 1845 Creator(s): Forbes, Forbes, and Company Extent and Form: 1 volume Immediate Source of Acquisition Purchased. Scope and Content End of year balance sheets, dated 31 Dec 1845, of Forbes, Forbes, and Company, Bombay, listing accounts in General Books (chiefly business clients) and Separate Books (private clients). http://www.dlwalker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Glen%20Nochty/Forbes.htm#Table%202 <http://www.dlwalker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Glen%20Nochty/Forbes.htm> <http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-genforum/sendalert.cgi?forum=india&msgnum=2170&author_name=Jenna Tong&subject=Re: Anybody know anything about Forbes & Co. Bombay abt 1800 ?&msgdate=February 24, 2004 at 09:31:14> © 2003 MyFamily.com, Inc. His own entry by G. B. Smith, in English Dictionary National Biography 2004 edition.
Charles married widow Cotgrave Elizabeth-17382 daughter of Major EICo army Cotgrave John-57595 and CNotknown Miss-57596 in 1800. Elizabeth was christened in 1800 in Married. She died on 14 Apr 1861.
She seems in book on country ships, p. 190 to be widow with four children of Bombay attorney William Ashbourne/Ashburner, once editor of Bombay Gazette. Burke's P&B for Forbes of Newe. Her husband's DNB entry. One of her drs by Asburner, Mary, is kidnapped to the USA but retrieved.
Charles and Elizabeth had the following children:
+ 14 M i Sir Bart3 Forbes Charles-64111 was born on 21 Sep 1803. He died on 2 Nov 1877. + 15 M ii MP Forbes John-57591 was born on 15 Dec 1801. He died on 20 Dec 1840.
8. Chairman Forbes and Co in 1816 Forbes Michie-503859 (George , John , George , Progenitor 2010 ) was born in 1779 in Crimond Aberdeen Scotland. He died in 1839 in Sillwood Park Berks Surrey.
Latterly of Sillwood Park, England.
Does he have dates 1836-1842. Is he from Crimond Aberdeenshire. Is he of Sillwood Park Berks? gaps3 Does he have dr1 Katherine m to George Ashburner of Calcutta about 1842?
Michie married Stepsister of husband Ashburner Mary-503860 daughter of Ashburner William-503881 and ANotknown Elizabeth-503882 in 1816 in St Pancras Old Church London. Mary was born in 1797 in Bombay. She died in 1865.
They had the following children:
16 F i Forbes Katherine Michie-503855 was born in 1823. She died in 1890. Katherine married Ashburner George-503832 son of Ashburner Luke-503747 and Price Sarah Price Morgan-503748. George was born in 1810. He died in 1869. + 17 M ii Forbes Charles-503885 was born in 1817. He died in 1873. 18 M iii Forbes John-503886. 19 M iv Forbes George-503887. 20 F v Forbes Grace-503888. 21 M vi Forbes Junior-488370 was born in 1817 in Bombay.
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