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10. Opium trader, US merchant, Railroads Forbes John Murray-8057 (Ralph Bennet , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born on 23 Feb 1813 in Bordeaux,France,,Railways. He died on 12 Oct 1898.
Code-US. He is a US agent for Barings in Dope Inc p. 127, a post taken over from Stephen Girard qv. See Hodson lists. Per Linda Minor. He is brother-in-law of Samuel Cabot. He has a son who establishes Bell Telephone Co. See email of 6-11-2000 from Linda Minor re her http. This may be the Forbes that Maxine Darnell suggests had a link to W. S. Davidson or others in a Davidson-type circle. See Dict Biog entry, he becomes a railroad executive, had six children including William Hathaway Forbes, came to US in 1828, headed a group of financiers which purchased unfinished MC RR from state of Michigan, for $2 million, extended it to Lake Michigan and Chicago, then rail to Mississippi River, across Iowa, helped organise Massachusetts for Civil War, Republican party. See May and Thomson, this man lived in Canton 1830-1836 and became a "lord chief" of American opium trade, later involved in US railway business.
John married Hathaway Sarah Swain-8136 daughter of Hathaway Stephen-99578 and Swain Lydia-75126 on 8 Feb 1834. Sarah was born on 20 Jan 1813. She died on 4 Oct 1900.
She has uncle Wm H. Swain. http per Linda Minor.
John and Sarah had the following children:
+ 20 M i Telephone development Forbes William Hathaway-8137 was born on 1 Nov 1840. He died on 11 Oct 1897. 21 F ii Forbes Ellen Randolph-54808 was born on 15 Nov 1838. She died on 8 Oct 1860.
Per Linda Minor.+ 22 M iii Forbes John Malcolm-44732 was born in 1847. He died in 1904. + 23 M iv Forbes Senior-126205. 24 F v Forbes Alice Hathaway-216963 was born in 1838. She died in 1917.
No notes.+ 25 F vi Forbes Mary Hathaway-360558 was born on 16 Jan 1844. She died on 2 Apr 1916. 26 F vii Wife2 Forbes Sarah-126324 was born in 1853. She died in 1917.
Per Linda Minor.Sarah married Hughes William Hastings-129142 son of Hughes John-87431 and Wilkinson Margaret Elizabeth-136107. William was born in 1833. He died in 1909.
see descent of Hughes http by Milne.
11. US-China trader Forbes Robert Bennet I-8138 (Ralph Bennet , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born on 18 Sep 1804 in Milton Suffolk Mass. He died on 3 Nov 1889.
Code-US. He is child3. See Hodson lists. Per Linda Minor. See email from NZ of 3-2-2001. See email of 6-11-2000 and re http of Linda Minor. He is a nephew of William Sturgis qv. he first went to sea aged 12. This may be a Forbes connection of WS Davidson as mentioned by Maxine Darnell. See notes re Herries ideas US trade direct with India by 1781 in notes to Herries qv. See Dict Biog entry. Sailor for his uncle's trading, sailed around world in 1824-1827, received storeship from his uncle when their firm merged with another to form the most powerful US-China trading firm in US-China in 1830, almost ruined by panic of 1837, went to Canton, became involved in Opium War, sent ice to Orient, regained fortune in Opium War blockades, invented Forbes rig for sailing ships. An early advocate of screw propellor and iron hulls, carried supplies to Irish in famine of 1847, also served as US and French vice-consul, had 1844 article, Remarks on China and the China Trade; he wrote on ocean steam navigation in 1855. http on descendants of Surgeon John Green of Rhode Island. There is also a Thomas Tunno Forbes. He is with Russell Sturgis and Co. He is cousin of John Perkins Cushing. Email and http of 6-11-2000 from Linda Minor. Website by Ron Ulrich.
Robert married Smith Rose Greene-344541 daughter of Smith John-383633 and Greene Rebecca Rose-383632. Rose was born in 1802. She died in 1885.
Website by Ron Ulrich.
Robert and Rose had the following children:
+ 27 F i Forbes Edith-344538 was born in 1842. 28 M ii Spendthrift Forbes Robert Bennett II-344542 was born in 1836/1837. He died in 1891.
Website by Ron Ulrich.+ 29 M iii US-China merchant Forbes James Murray-344543 was born in 1845. He died in 1871.
13. Rev Forbes John Murray-276222 (James Grant , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born in 1807 in New York. He died in 1885 in New Jersey.
He is rector of St Luke's New York. USA/Virginia http by John Marshall at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emarshall/esmd207.htm and in series, for Harrison.
Additional information (accesssed 30-8-2007) per a web treatment of Senator John Forbes Kerry (b. 1943) by William Addams Reitwiesner Genealogical Services - email to: wargs@wargs.com (with help from David Curtis Dearborn and Gary Boyd Roberts et al. http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
John married (1) wife1 Howell Anna Anne-276223 daughter of Howell Benjamin Betterton-276228 and Howell Frances Howell-276229 in 1838. Anna died in 1849.
USA/Virginia http by John Marshall at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emarshall/esmd207.htm and in series, for Harrison. Additional information (accesssed 30-8-2007) per a web treatment of Senator John Forbes Kerry (b. 1943) by William Addams Reitwiesner Genealogical Services - email to: wargs@wargs.com (with help from David Curtis Dearborn and Gary Boyd Roberts et al. http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
John and Anna had the following children:
30 M i Forbes John Murray-276221 was born on 27 Oct 1844.
USA/Virginia http by John Marshall at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emarshall/esmd207.htm and in series, for Harrison. Some partners of Russell and Co. were or might have been Paul Sieman Forbes of New York, William Howell Forbes of New York and Paris, Frank Blackwell Forbes of New York, James Murray Forbes of Milton, John Murray Forbes Jnr of New York, Henry de Courcy Forbes of New York.John married Griswold Minnie E.-276220 daughter of Of New York Griswold John N. Alsop-276224 and parent recheck Emmett Jane Louise-276225.
USA/Virginia http by John Marshall at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Emarshall/esmd207.htm and in series, for Harrison. She may have been relative of a partner of Russell and Co., John N. Alsop Griswold. She had three children.+ 31 M ii US China merchant Forbes Francis Blackwell-237716 was born in 1839. He died in 1908. 32 M iii Forbes Paul Siemen-359489 was born in 1840.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.33 F iv Forbes Anna Adelaide Carmichael-359490 was born in 1842. She died in 1936.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
John married (2) Anthony Emily-359491 daughter of Anthony Progenitor-359496 and ANotknown Miss-359497. Emily was born in 1840. She died in 1927.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
John and Emily had the following children:
14. US-China merchant Forbes Paul Sieman-359010 (James Grant , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born in 1808. He was christened in 1840 in Active. He died in 1886.
Kwang-Ching Liu - Financing a Steam-Navigation Company in China, 1861-62 - from a website on business history - Russell & Co., the Boston partnership which had long been prominent in the China trade, found its business as commission agent in a state of serious decline by 1861. Therefore Edward Cunningham, a junior partner resident in Shanghai, conceived the idea of founding a steamship line to operate up the Yangtze River. This venture would require a capital far exceeding that used by Russell & Co. in its commission business. The head of the firm, Paul Sieman Forbes, who lived in New York and Newport, spurned the project in favor of more lucrative and secure investments by raising the necessary capital in China. Not only was the resultant Shanghai Steam Navigation Company profitable in itself, it also brought much commission business to Russell & Co. This article, based mainly on the manuscript records of the Forbes family, contributed to a more realistic estimate of the amount of American capital in the Far Eastern trade and to a greater appreciation of the administrative problems and methods involved. (Pages 154-181). http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Paul married Wright Valeria Medora-359421 daughter of Wright Senior-359012 and WNotknown Miss-359011. Valeria died in 1888.
http by Dough Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Paul and Valeria had the following children:
17. Forbes Harriet Blackwell-359476 (James Grant , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born in 1814. She died in 1885.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Harriet married Calhoun William-359483 son of Calhoun Progenitor-359485 and CNotknown Miss-359486.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
William and Harriet had the following children:
48 M i Calhoun William II-359484 died in 1891.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
18. Forbes Frances Margaret-359477 (James Grant , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born in 1817. She died in 1886.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Frances married Beckwith Nelson Marvin-359481 son of Beckwith Progenitor-389535 and BNotknown Miss-389536. Nelson died in 1889.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Nelson and Frances had the following children:
49 M i Beckwith Leonard Forbes-359482 was born in 1844. He died in 1895.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
19. Forbes Adelaide Augusta-359478 (James Grant , John , Archibald , John , William fifth ) was born in 1820. She died in 1882.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
Adelaide married Calhoun George-359479 son of Calhoun Progenitor-359487 and CNotknown Miss-359488. George was born in 1818. He died in 1892.
http by Doug Bingham, on Bingham Genealogy Project at: http://www.pa.uky.edu/~shapere/dkbinhgam/index/.
George and Adelaide had the following children:
50 M i Calhoun George Francis-359480 was born in 1847. He died in 1911.
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