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31. Delano Warren-8388 (Ephraim , Thomas , Jonathan , Philippe De la Noye , Jean , Gysbert de Lannoy , Jean de Lannoy , Progenitor ) was born in 1779.
The Delanos come in commercially with Russsell and Co. He has another son besides Warren II. Tim Dowling website.
Warren married Church Deborah-276 daughter of Church Joseph-197457 and Perry Deborah-197458. Deborah was born in 1783 in Massachusetts. She died in 1827 in Massachusetts.
Tim Dowling website.
Warren and Deborah had the following children:
+ 42 M i opium trader, Russell and Co, opium war Delano Warren Jr.-20341 was born in 1809. He died in 1898. 43 F ii Delano Deborah Dora-59583.
Email and http of Linda Minor of 6-11-2000.Deborah married (1) Forbes Paul-24849 son of Forbes Senior (parent problem)-108419 and FNotknown Miss-96858.
No notes.Deborah married (2) Forbes William (Will)-118873 son of Forbes Senior (parent problem)-108419 and FNotknown Miss-96858.
See email from Patricia Iseke NZ of 3-2-2001. He has a brother Paul who
marries Deborah Delano when he dies.44 M iii Delano Franklin Hughes-20692 was born in 1813. He died in 1893.
He is uncle of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Email and http of Linda Minor of 6-11-2000.Franklin married Astor Laura Eugenia-16371 daughter of President American Fur Co Astor William Backhouse-13581 and Armstrong Mary Margaret-8625. Laura was born in 1824. She died in 1902.
Email and http of Linda Minor of 6-11-2000.
33. Capt whaler US London Delano Henry-219240 (Thomas , Thomas , Jonathan , Philippe De la Noye , Jean , Gysbert de Lannoy , Jean de Lannoy , Progenitor ) was christened in 1780 in active, presumably.
Code-red. Code-US. He sails whalers Kingston, Rasper and Atlantic. George English suspects from family lore he might in later life smuggle opium to China. E-mail from George English at - george.english1@btopenworld.com - Dan, I have just stumbled on your 'Blackheath Connection' website and found it fascinating, and very useful for our family research. An ancestor of mine, Captain Henry Delano, was a Nantucket Whaling Master recruited by Enderbys during/after the War of Independence, who came to live in England in 1785. "there were a number of Nantucket men who remained in England, enjoying prosperous careers in London. Of these, Captain Henry Delano was perhaps the most successful. He was one of the three sons of Thomas Delano, Sr. all of whom went to sea at an early age, and eventually removed to London - apparently among the first to be employed by the Enderby firm. Captain Thomas Delano, Jr. had command of the Hercules, Captain Abishai Delano took out the Sea Horse, and the younger brother Captain Henry Delano was master of the Kingston, the Rasper, and the very successful Atlantic - all Enderby ships. (Stackpole, p. 356). We have also found out that "Capt. Henry Delano was captured by the Algerians and held in slavery for several years, ransomed by the British." This was almost certainly sometime between 1786 and 1790. I particulary noticed your reference to "The Samuel Enderby Book 1775-1790"., which would hopefully provide more information about Captain Henry's ship when he was captured ; and of other Delano ships. As I live in UK, do you know if there is a copy of this Book in UK? Can you suggest other references that might aid our research? Thanking you in anticipation. George English.
I've been working on whaling etc and have some questions that you probably can help with:
If Henry's father, Capt Thomas Delano was a shipmaster in the London trade, would he have traded with the likes of Samuel Enderby?
we have "Captain Thomas Delano had command of the Hercules, Captain Abishai Delano took out the Sea Horse, and the younger brother Captain Henry Delano was master of the Kingston, the Rasper, and the very successful Atlantic, all Enderby ships". But "Henry’s oldest brother, Captain Thomas Delano .. in 1786 he took the Lord Hawkesbury, owned by Alex and Benjamin Champion, sailed to South Georgia, and returned with a full cargo." This sounds like working for the competition?
if Capt. Henry Delano had his own South Seas whaler the Columbus, how would he sell his catch? Is it likely therefore that by 1791 he'd left Enderbys?
Kind regards
GeorgeThanks for another very interesting e-mail. I may be able to help you with the South Whale Fishery "south of New Zealand" but first a couple of comments:
Samuel Enderby Book - so this has the ships of all English owners, not just Enderbys? I wonder if that's where Alexander Starbuck (History of Nantucket, county, island and town: including genealogies of first settlers, Boston: C.E. Goodspeed & Co., 1924, p.393) got his information from about the vessels Henry and his brothers commanded who Capt Thomas Delano traded with. We're probably talking around 1755-1765; Samuel Enderby was born in 1718 so he would certainly have been trading then. Thomas was born in 1729; he sent his sons to school in London (eldest Ephraim was born 1752, Henry 1754). So would have to have earnt the money by mid 1760s; we've been trying to find where the boys went to school. Our best guess is that Thomas made contacts in London and the school would have been in/around the City of London. Also Henry was apprenticed - but to whom and as what? We cannot find him in the Apprentice records; most likely he was connected with whaling/shipping in some way. His 'freedom suit of clothes' would probably have been from when he was made a Freeman of the City of London.
Enderbys who in the 1830s-1840s tried to re-establish the South Whale Fishery "south of New Zealand" - Have you come across <http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/makhist/makhist6_prog10b.shtml> "Making History - Charles Enderby and the Auckland Islands"?
This is the story of Britain's shortest-lived and strangest attempt at colonisation. The colony was the Auckland Islands and the disastrous attempt to settle there lasted for three years from 1849. The whole venture was the brainchild of Charles Enderby (1798?-1876), who in 1829 had succeeded to the job of running the family whaling firm of Samuel Enderby and Sons. The company has been such a big name in the whaling world that in Moby Dick Herman Melville says that the name of Enderby was of as much historical interest as the combined houses of the Tudors and the Bourbons. As well as the whaling, which operated from St Paul's Wharf in the centre of London, Charles set up and invested heavily in a rope works and sail-making factory on Greenwich Marsh, at what is now Enderby Wharf and the Alcatel industrial site. Charles had a riverside house built beside the factory with an octagonal corner window from which he could watch all the shipping going up and down the Thames - the house is still there. Making History consulted Barbara Ludlow and Julian Watson of Greenwich Local History Library (now both retired).
Further reading Mary Mills, Greenwich and Woolwich at Work (Sutton Publishing, 2002) Granville Allen Mawer, Ahab's Trade: The Saga of South Seas Whaling (Allen & Unwin, 2000) George Francis Dow, Whale Ships and Whaling (Dover Publications, 1985)
I phoned Jenny O’Keefe at the Greenwich Local History Library Heritage Centre (heritage.centre@greenwich.gov.uk <mailto:heritage.centre@greenwich.gov.uk> Woodlands, 90 Mycenae Road, London SE3 7SE Tel: 020 8854 2452 Fax: 020 8293 4721 9; Website: www.greenwich.gov.uk <http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/>). She said they'd (especialIy Ludlow and Watson) made a special study of this and had a lot on it. Unfortunately for me, their card index had 'no reference to Delano and not much before the 19th century. We do not appear to have any primary source material on the Enderbys'. Hope this helps.
Did you get my 27 July e-mail OK with my comments on your Delano database etc?
Kind regards
George
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Byrnes <mailto:danbyrnes@northnet.com.au>
To: GEORGE ENGLISH <mailto:george.english1@btopenworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Whaling questions
Dear George, if you've not yet read The Samuel Enderby Book, you are nevertheless doing pretty well. See attempts at some answers below, cheers, Dan.
----- Original Message -----
From: GEORGE ENGLISH <mailto:george.english1@btopenworld.com>
To: Dan Byrnes <mailto:danbyrnes@northnet.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:41 AM
Subject: Whaling questions
I've been working on whaling etc and have some questions that you probably can help with:
If Henry's father, Capt Thomas Delano was a shipmaster in the London trade, would he have traded with the likes of Samuel Enderby? A= I see few reasons why not (in theory). Between around 1770 and outbreak of American Rev, Enderbys and others were trying to get a regular whaler trade going, London - Boston and other American ports - Falkland Islands for whales and/or seals. This trade was up and running, just, when the outbreak of Rev. stymied the lot. I treat a few of the American merchants involved somewhere in my Blackheath Connection chapters. I don't believe anyone even Stackpole has fully attended to the personnel involved in this whaling venture till it was ruined, so you'll probably enter rugged territory. One idea though was that whaling ships involved in this might regularly carry eg tea to say Boston, which seems to be the origin of the legend that Enderbys had a ship involved in the Boston Tea Party - which is misleading, as it would be far wiser to treat ALL the merchants involved in such propositions, including those in and around Boston, including John Hancock and Gov Hutchinson and his sons. I feel that US historians wish to avoid a lot of questions which bob up if one researches in this zone - and eg, one of the merchants involved, close to the Enderbys, in London, and involved in this new trade broken by the AM Rev was James mather, who one time bought a retired navy ship named Endeavour, which Cook happened to be sailing when he discovered Australia etc. Mather sometime after the Am Rev broke out chartered Endeavour (renamed, I think), to the navy, she ended up captured by the Americans and sunk as part of a blockading of entrance to harbour of Newport Rhode Island. Not much of the hulk is left, but it causes excitement in some circles, including marine archaeology. Myself, I want to know much more about James Mather, as he later chartered a ship into the First Fleet to Australia, I think as a ship to do reconnaissance on Pacific whale stocks. You see, if there is any prestige attaching to Cook's Endeavour, and there is, of course, why don't historians also track Mather - and Enderbys? - and the answer seems to be because it is very hard work trying to discover what actually happened, and the Boston Tea Party actually gets in the way of the maritime history. You seem now to be poking in this "zone of sensitivity".
we have "Captain Thomas Delano had command of the Hercules, Captain Abishai Delano took out the Sea Horse, and the younger brother Captain Henry Delano was master of the Kingston, the Rasper, and the very successful Atlantic, all Enderby ships". But "Henry’s oldest brother, Captain Thomas Delano .. in 1786 he took the Lord Hawkesbury, owned by Alex and Benjamin Champion, sailed to South Georgia, and returned with a full cargo." This sounds like working for the competition? A= well, there might have been rivalry between whalers and whaler-investors, just for the industrial fun of it, and between mariners, but more at the political level, all England's whalers co-operated, partly as government was happy to assist them, partly as they had common enemies, the Americans and the French. As you'll find, TheSamuel Enderby Book lists all ships, owners, catches and so on for the period 1770-1790. This looks like a sense of industrial unity to me, since the Enderbys had to get the info from somewhere simply in order to list it. You might just find some of you ships' names mentioned therein, and if so, many things will become clearer. Consider too, re our First Fleet and any ships in it owned by whaler interests - what was the one interesting thing about the Pacific that English, French and American whalers did NOT know. Simple, they did not know the whales' pathways for migration, vis a vis Australia, or South America, they did know a bit for patches around South East Asia and northern Australia, tho, from Dampier if no one else.
if Capt. Henry Delano had his own South Seas whaler the Columbus, how would he sell his catch? Is it likely therefore that by 1791 he'd left Enderbys? A= you'll probably have to check The Samuel Enderby Book, which ends 1790, unluckily for you. I don't know if the idea he had "left" Enderbys would be quite the way to put it, as it might not have mattered. I think any of the dealers in whale products would have bought anything from anyone reliable. Deals were commonly made for shares of catches and so on, whaling was a rugged business, and so I imagine that dealers would continue to deal with a well-performing whaling captain. The Enderbys do not forget had a "white lead factory", that is, a paint factory - I imagine they pumped a lot of whale oil into paint - and I have no info that anyone has ever researched the Enderbys' paint factory - so you see, there are a lot of sidelights that historians have not been looking into - from the Boston Tea Party, to who produced which paint which ended up on English walls - or on ships as well. And you now seem right in the thick of it. Are you aware of the group in London who are members of an organisation set to research Thames-side industries? I've had email from them long ago. Oh and before I forget, there has also been too little done on the Enderbys who in the 1830s-1840s tried to re-establish the South Whale Fishery "south of New Zealand", quite a failure that was. By which time, the American whalers were doing extremely well in the Pacific, in terms of which, Moby Dick springs to mind for a slightly later timeframe. Stackpole is still the single best book on all of it!
Kind regards
George
Henry married Of Midx Osborne Sarah-1340 daughter of Osborne James-125233 and ONotknown Ann-121190.
They had the following children:
45 M i Delano James-220981. + 46 M ii Delano William-220982 was born in 1798. He died in 1871. 47 M iii Delano Abisai II-220983 was born in 1795. He died in 1868. Abisai married Benger Mary Ann-257811 daughter of Benger Progenitor-298905 and PNotknown Miss-298906. 48 M iv Delano Henry-220984.
Item on www.delanoye.org/Henry married Bond Ann-220996 daughter of Bond Progenitor-298903 and BNotknown Miss-298904 in 1808. 49 M v Delano Osborne-220985. Osborne married Of Soho Sq, Midx Newman Charlotte-220997 daughter of Newman Senior findzzzzz-220998 and Notknown Miss-220999.
dr of?50 F vi Delano Ann Eliza-220986 was born in 1791. She died in 1798. 51 F vii Delano Anne Maria-220987 was born in 1803. She died in 1870.
http update.
UK http by emailer George English.Anne married Yorke William-257812 son of Yorke Progenitor-257813 and YNotknown Miss-257814. William was born in 1801. He died in 1867.
He has brothers Jasper and Habgood. He is of family of earls of Hardwicke.52 F viii Delano Sarah-220988 was born in 1800. She died in 1862. Sarah married Gibbs Samuel-221000 son of Gibbs Progenitor-221007 and GNotknown Miss-221008. Samuel was born in 1798. He died in 1854 in Australia.
36. Delano Elizabeth-220974 (Thomas , Thomas , Jonathan , Philippe De la Noye , Jean , Gysbert de Lannoy , Jean de Lannoy , Progenitor ) was born in 1759. She died in 1844.
Data on her portrait.
Elizabeth married Howland Humphrey-220979 son of Howland Isaac-221018 and HNotknown Anna-221019. Humphrey was born in 1787 in New Bedford Mass. He died in 1812 in Mass.
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Humphrey and Elizabeth had the following children:
53 M i Captain whaler Howland Lloyd-470334 died in New Bedford Mass. Lloyd married Frankfort Elizabeth-71796 daughter of Frankfort Progenitor-474679 and FNotknown Miss-303301.
39. Captain Grant Noah III-272554 (Susannah Delano , Jonathan Jr , Jonathan , Philippe De la Noye , Jean , Gysbert de Lannoy , Jean de Lannoy , Progenitor ) was born in 1748. He died in 1819.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jwickham/tree.htm http on Line of Ulysses S. Grant, USA. Items from http://hdhdata.org/roots/. http://www.wargs.com/
Noah married (1) widow Richardson Buell Anna-272555 daughter of Buell Abel-272556 and Dewey Methatabel-272557. Anna died in 1787.
http on Line of Ulysses S. Grant, USA.
Noah and Anna had the following children:
54 M i Grant Peter-272558 was born in 1781 in Coventry.
Noah married (2) wife2 Kelly Rachel Miller-272550 daughter of Kelly Progenitor-272551 and KNotknown Miss-272552. Rachel was born in 1764. She died in 1805.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jwickham/tree.htm Items from http://hdhdata.org/roots/. Or, Kelley. http://www.wargs.com/
Noah and Rachel had the following children:
+ 55 M ii Ohio farmer, tanner Grant Jesse Root-272639 was born in 1794. He died in 1873. 56 M iii Grant Solomon-347395 was born in 1779. He died in 1798 in Poste Demerara Island. 57 M iv Grant Peter-347396 was born in 1781. He died in 1829 in drowned. 58 F v Grant Susan-347397 was born in 1792. Susan married Hudson Bailey-347398 son of Hudson Progenitor-347399 and HNotknown Miss-347400.
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