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Descendants of Arndell Progenitor 2013-589702

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3. Dr Arndell Thomas (Arundell)-6220 (Thomas , Progenitor 2013 ) was born in 1752/1753 in Hereford England. He was christened in 1786 in active,Arundel. He died in 1821 in Hawkesbury.

He has wife Susanna who has son John and a natural dr Esther married W. H. Hovell. His own ADB online entry where he is son of Herefordshire man Anthony Arndell and Elizabeth Harris. He is an only son. He is of First Fleet in Mowle's genealogy for Rodd. See John Pym Yetman, The History of the House of Arundel. London. Mitchell and Hughes. 1882. He is asst surgeon on Friendship of FF. See Arndell's book on Portland Head folk. His son-in-law's DNB for W. H. Hovell. Dan, The following message has been received by the PGTS postmaster. I have found your very interesting Internet site. I am the 3 x greats grand daughter of Assist. Surgeon Thomas Arndell and Elizabeth Burley/Burleigh (alias Dalton), both of whom arrived on the First Fleet. I have published two books - ASSISTANT SURGEON THOMAS ARNDELL- THE MAN HE WAS NOT and ASSISTANT SURGEON THOMAS ARNDELL - THE MAN HE WAS, and a booklet on the life of Thomas Arndell in the colony. I am presently working on a full book on his life in the colony. I have carried out a lot of research on his Englishborn son, John, who, along with Esther, are his only surviving English children. John came to Australia c.1796, Elizabeth Jackson (MARQUIS CORNWALLIS arr. Sydney Cove 11 Feb 1796) bore his child on Norfolk Island. John went to Norfolk Island as \'an assistant to the surgeon\' on the SUPPLY on 23 March, 179t,returned on FRANCIS on 9 July, 1796 - then disappeared. I found his death in London in March,1807. There appears to be NO record of his arrival in Sydney Cove, but all my research points to his arrival being on the MARQUIS CORNWALLIS, the same ship as Elizabeth Jackson, but I just cannot find the evidence. I had contact with a gentleman in England who owns the log of the MARQUIS CORNWALLIS, but John Arndell\'s name does not appear. It did sail from Portsmouth,then from Cork,where Elizabeth Jackson boarded. The two points eluding me in my research are: The actual record of Thomas Arndell\'s marriage in England to Susanna (?), c. 1770/2 The date of arrival of John, and the name of the ship on which he was a passenger, and his departure to England. Mollie Gillen used my research on Thomas Arndell in her publication, FOUNDERS OF AUSTRALIA. I have also researched and found the name of the child who was the first European child born in the colony and the youngest child to arrive on the First Fleet - a strange combination, but, true. She was born by my 3 x greats grandmother, Elizabeth Burley/Burleigh (alias Dalton), while the ships were anchored in Botany Bay, and arrived in Sydney Cove on the First Fleet - that was a very interesting project. If you are to assist me with any information re John Arndell, I shall be most grateful. Best wishes, Marge Raven

Thomas married (1) wife2, convict Dalton Elizabeth (Burley)-32213 daughter of Dalton Progenitor-129173 and DNotknown Miss-107551 on 23 Oct 1789. Elizabeth was born in 1768 in Circa,,England. She died on 31 Jan 1843 in Cattai.

Or, Burleigh. Mowle's Genealogy for Arndell. She is Eliz Burley/Burleigh. Arndell's book on Headland Port folk, p. 66, table.

These genealogy pages are gathered for net surfers' FYI purposes, not for any purposes of promoting "patriotism-via-history", of which the world has probably seen too much.
As compiler, I am simply an Australian/New South Welshman here interested in our colonial history, more economic/maritime than other kinds of history. The basic purpose of the sets of pages is to present family histories grouped in terms of a history (of some kind) of "economic operators" in colonial Australia, 1788-1900. Or, on economic operators living outside Australia who nevertheless had some impact on Australian commercial/business activities. (Anyone curious as to the emphasis given here [basically, Sydney] should read for more detail on economic operators, any book by the noted NSW historian, D. R. Hainsworth.)
Thus, the pages are more for purposes of economic history, not for family history or genealogy as such. Hopefully, the information presented will enable the user more conveniently to filter information on the commercial folk of Australian colonies and on their links to folk in India, London, or England and Scotland generally, much as is already possible with the use of websites concerned with business histories, variously, for London, Bristol, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Newport Rhode Island,and so on.
In general, I have tried to press genealogies as far back into the past as is possible. Children have not been found in their proper birth order as the database grew, so in some cases I have noted their birth order with notes text. (It is simply not possible to find the correct birth order of children in so many families as are listed.)
The notes to individuals are given in the order in which the information came to hand - which is why many notes seem to have been gathered willy-nilly - they were! And often gathered in haste due to time pressures. But also willy-nilly at times, arrived contributions from correspondents and emailers, and these are often noted (with gratitude).
Generally, the book titles referred to in notes to individuals - book titles often highly abbreviated - will be listed more fully in my bibliography pages available on my other websites on the Internet. As to book titles: "Burke's Extinct" refers to: John Burke and John Bernard Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic History of Extinct and Dormant Baronetcies of England, Ireland and Scotland. Second edition. London, John Russell Smith. [Facsimile of the 1964 edition].
"Burke's P&B" refes to any one of many editions of Burke's Peerage and Baronetage I have consulted. Burk'es LG = Burke's Landed Gentry (various vesions). Re "GEC" - the page number(s) given are to the page numbers of the volume in question, which are alphabetical for the title name, not the actual surname, in: Vicary Gibbs, (Ed.), (GEC), The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom. [Extinct, extant or dormant]. London, St. Catherine's Press, 1910. Where, we note, Gibbs, GEC, was a member of a noted family of British bankers!
Many of the sources used here were found in university libraries. Presumably this means that they will not be easily available to anyone living distant from a university.

As to abbreviations often used in the notes:
"Mowle's Genealogy" refers to a basic set of genealogies for Australians - P. C. Mowle, A Genealogical History of Pioneer Families of Australia. Fifth edition. Sydney, Rigby, 1978. "NSW" is New South Wales, the compiler's home state in Australia. Stenton refers to a compilation on British politicians by Stenton. Valentine, Estab[lishment], refers to a treatment by an American, Valentine on the British establishment, circa 1775 and later. Namier.Brookeand Namier/Brooke refer to compilations supervised by Sir Lewis Namier, the British historian who unfolded "family history" in British politics in a way which for a time was controversial.
Christie on non-elite mps, refers to a book of that name. DNB/EDNB refers to the English Dictionary of National Biography. ADB refers by context to either the Australian or American dictionaries of biography.
Mostly, re abbreviations various: "http" or "http loose" refers to a website with URL not noted, which just happened to provide extra data on an individual or family.
"DC" refers to Duncan Campbell (1726-1803), the overseer of the Thames River Prison Hulks. "Bligh" refers only to William Bligh, Captain of HM Bounty and later a governor of New South Wales. As to first name abbreviations: Jas = James, Wm = William, Chas = Charles, Thos = Thomas, Eliz = Elizabeth. Abbreviations other: Hodson's List refers to a noted list of British-based families active in British India. ADB = Australian Dictionary of Biography, volumes various. See also re American (USA) Dictionary of Biography = ADB. "findzzzzz" means find more information is needed on a given individual/nuclear family. "EICo/HEICo" = English/British East India Company at whatever period . "Dir EICo" means a director of East India Co. "Dir BoE" means Director, Bank of England. And so on for noted directors of other noted organisations.

Here, Unm - Unmarried, "dr" = either daughter or doctor medical (Dr MD) as suggested by context. "fr" = father. "br" = brother. "sr" =sister. And so on.

I have not by any means read all book titles itemised in these web pages. However, the user of these web pages will find continued use of the Internet a valuable resource for rounding out any points of interest found here.

As presented, each family group begins with a "dummylink", a hypothetical progenitor, or similarly, a "Surname senior". The hypothetical/unknown wife of a Progenitor Smith has a "surname" for the database, beginning, eg, "SNotknown Miss", so that the database does not generate an overlong list of names given as "Notknown Miss" - and so on through the alphabet A-Z.

Lastly, apologies are offered in advance for any errors present here. Errors will be amended and corrections made when time and better-quality information permit.

Dan Byrnes/The Blackheath Connection at http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/blackheath/
NB: These webpages can easily be regarded as an adjunct to The Blackheath Connection website.

Thomas and Elizabeth had the following children:

  4 F i Arndell Frances Hannah-57164 was born in 1808. She died in 1887.

She is dr4. Mowle's Genealogy. Arndell's book on Portland Head folk, p. 49.
        Frances married Lt Of VDL Gunn William-57165 son of Lt Gunn William-57166 and Wilson Margaret-122450.

Mowle's Genealogy on Arndell. Arndell's book on Portland Head folk, p. 49.
+ 5 F ii wife2 Arndell Sarah-60317 was born in 1796. She died in 1853.
+ 6 M iii Of Caddai Arndell Thomas-57172 was born in 1799. He died in 1865.
+ 7 F iv Arndell Mary Louisa-6221.
+ 8 M v Of Woodlands Arndell James-97634.
  9 F vi Arndell Elizabeth Emily-256083 was born in 1792.
        Elizabeth married Naval officer, Hobart, Police Magistrate Gordon James-256084 son of Gordon Progenitor-256085 and GNotknown Miss-256086.

Thomas married (2) conjectural Foscari Esther wife1 Jewish-14017 daughter of Foscari Progenitor-66400 and FNotknown Miss-100272 in 1780 in England. Esther died in 1787.

Entry on this woman may be dubious?

Thomas and Esther had the following children:

+ 10 M vii Arndell John-57147 was born in 1781. He died in 1805.
+ 11 F viii wife1 Arndell Esther-14018 was born in 1787. She died on 8 Jan 1846.

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